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"The real benchmark is: the world growing at 10 percent," he added. "Suddenly productivity goes up and the economy is growing at a faster rate. When that happens, we'll be fine as an industry."

Needless to say, we haven't seen anything like that yet. OpenAI's top AI agent — the tech that people like OpenAI CEO Sam Altman say is poised to upend the economy — still moves at a snail's pace and requires constant supervision.

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[-] CompostMaterial@lemmy.world 33 points 1 day ago

That is not at all what he said. He said that creating some arbitrary benchmark on the level or quality of the AI, (e.g.: as it's as smarter than a 5th grader or as intelligent as an adult) is meaningless. That the real measure is if there is value created and out out into the real world. He also mentions that global growth is up by 10%. He doesn't provide data that correlates the grow with the use of AI and I doubt that such data exists yet. Let's not just twist what he said to be "Microsoft CEO says AI provides no value" when that is not what he said.

[-] Melvin_Ferd@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 22 hours ago)

AI is the immigrants of the left.

Of course he didn't say this. The media want you to think he did.

"They're taking your jobs"

[-] bearboiblake@pawb.social 12 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

microsoft rn:

✋ AI

👉 quantum

can't wait to have to explain the difference between asymmetric-key and symmetric-key cryptography to my friends!

[-] Strawberry 2 points 1 day ago

Forgive my ignorance. Is there no known quantum-safe symmetric-key encryption algorithm?

[-] bearboiblake@pawb.social 6 points 1 day ago

i'm not an expert by any means, but from what i understand, most symmetric key and hashing cryptography will probably be fine, but asymmetric-key cryptography will be where the problems are. lots of stuff uses asymmetric-key cryptography, like https for example.

[-] Strawberry 3 points 1 day ago

Oh that's not good. i thought TLS was quantum safe already

[-] halcyoncmdr@lemmy.world 260 points 3 days ago

Correction, LLMs being used to automate shit doesn't generate any value. The underlying AI technology is generating tons of value.

AlphaFold 2 has advanced biochemistry research in protein folding by multiple decades in just a couple years, taking us from 150,000 known protein structures to 200 Million in a year.

[-] shaggyb@lemmy.world 61 points 3 days ago

Well sure, but you're forgetting that the federal government has pulled the rug out from under health research and therefore had made it so there is no economic value in biochemistry.

[-] scarabic@lemmy.world 8 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

How is that a qualification on anything they said? If our knowledge of protein folding has gone up by multiples, then it has gone up by multiples, regardless of whatever funding shenanigans Trump is pulling or what effects those might eventually have. None of that detracts from the value that has already been delivered, so I don’t see how they are “forgetting” anything. At best, it’s a circumstance that may play in economically but doesn’t say anything about AI’s intrinsic value.

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[-] Artyom@lemm.ee 8 points 2 days ago

I think you're confused, when you say "value", you seem to mean progressing humanity forward. This is fundamentally flawed, you see, "value" actually refers to yacht money for billionaires. I can see why you would be confused.

[-] DozensOfDonner@mander.xyz 21 points 3 days ago

Yeah tbh, AI has been an insane helpful tool in my analysis and writing. Never would I have been able to do thoroughly investigate appropriate statisticall tests on my own. After following the sources and double checking ofcourse, but still, super helpful.

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[-] funkless_eck@sh.itjust.works 51 points 2 days ago

I've been working on an internal project for my job - a quarterly report on the most bleeding edge use cases of AI, and the stuff achieved is genuinely really impressive.

So why is the AI at the top end amazing yet everything we use is a piece of literal shit?

The answer is the chatbot. If you have the technical nous to program machine learning tools it can accomplish truly stunning processes at speeds not seen before.

If you don't know how to do - for eg - a Fourier transform - you lack the skills to use the tools effectively. That's no one's fault, not everyone needs that knowledge, but it does explain the gap between promise and delivery. It can only help you do what you already know how to do faster.

Same for coding, if you understand what your code does, it's a helpful tool for unsticking part of a problem, it can't write the whole thing from scratch

[-] earphone843@sh.itjust.works 16 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

For coding it's also useful for doing the menial grunt work that's easy but just takes time.

You're not going to replace a senior dev with it, of course, but it's a great tool.

My previous employer was using AI for intelligent document processing, and the results were absolutely amazing. They did sink a few million dollars into getting the LLM fine tuned properly, though.

[-] mr_jaaay@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 days ago

Exactly - I find AI tools very useful and they save me quite a bit of time, but they're still tools. Better at some things than others, but the bottom line is that they're dependent on the person using them. Plus the more limited the problem scope, the better they can be.

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[-] werefreeatlast@lemmy.world 22 points 2 days ago

That's because they want to use AI in a server scenario where clients login. That translated to American English and spoken with honesty means that they are spying on you. Anything you do on your computer is subject to automatic spying. Like you could be totally under the radar, but as soon as you say the magic words together bam!...I'd love a sling thong for my wife...bam! Here's 20 ads, just click to purchase since they already stole your wife's boob size and body measurements and preferred lingerie styles. And if you're on McMaster... Hmm I need a 1/2 pipe and a cap...Better get two caps in case you cross thread on.....ding dong! FBI! We know you're in there! Come out with your hands up!

[-] epicstove@lemmy.ca 8 points 2 days ago

The only thing stopping me from switching to Linux is some college software (Won't need it when I'm done) and 1 game (which no longer gets updates and thus is on the path to a slow sad demise)

So I'm on the verge of going Penguin.

[-] rocky1138@sh.itjust.works 9 points 2 days ago

Just run Windows in a VM on Linux. You can use VirtualBox.

[-] bestbry@lemm.ee 3 points 2 days ago

You can just install Linux besides windows. It’s easy, I did it last month.

[-] jeena@piefed.jeena.net 7 points 2 days ago

Yeah use Windows in a VM and your game probably just works too, I was surprised that all games I have on Steam now just work on Linux.

Years ago when I switched from OSX to Linux I just stopped gaming because of that but I started testing my old games and suddenly no problems with them anymore.

[-] JaddedFauceet@lemmy.world 6 points 2 days ago

What software / game is that? it could still run in Wine or Bottle.

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[-] WalnutLum@lemmy.ml 17 points 2 days ago

He probably saw that softbank and masayoshi son were heavily investing in it and figured it was dead.

[-] makuus@pawb.social 35 points 3 days ago

Very bold move, in a tech climate in which CEOs declare generative AI to be the answer to everything, and in which shareholders expect line to go up faster…

I half expect to next read an article about his ouster.

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[-] ToaLanjiao@lemmy.world 42 points 3 days ago

LLMs in non-specialized application areas basically reproduce search. In specialized fields, most do the work that automation, data analytics, pattern recognition, purpose built algorithms and brute force did before. And yet the companies charge nx the amount for what is essentially these very conventional approaches, plus statistics. Not surprising at all. Just in awe of how come the parallels to snake oil weren't immediately obvious.

[-] Arghblarg@lemmy.ca 25 points 3 days ago

I think AI is generating negative value ... the huge power usage is akin to speculative blockchain currencies. Barring some biochemistry and other very, very specialized uses it hasn't given anything other than, as you've said, plain-language search (with bonus hallucination bullshit, yay!) ... snake oil, indeed.

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[-] TurboHarbinger@feddit.cl 13 points 2 days ago

R&D is always a money sink

[-] roguetrick@lemmy.world 20 points 2 days ago

It isn't R&D anymore if you're actively marketing it.

[-] GaMEChld@lemmy.world 10 points 2 days ago

Uh... Used to be, and should be. But the entire industry has embraced treating production as test now. We sell alpha release games as mainstream releases. Microsoft fired QC long ago. They push out world breaking updates every other month.

And people have forked over their money with smiles.

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[-] masterbaexunn@lemmy.world 21 points 2 days ago

Especially when the product is garbage lmao

[-] straightjorkin@lemmy.world 6 points 2 days ago

Makes sense that the company that just announced their qbit advancement would be disparaging the only "advanced" thing other companies have shown in the last 5 years.

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