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submitted 5 months ago by MicroWave@lemmy.world to c/world@lemmy.world

Summary

Democratic Senator Jack Reed accused Trump of “surrendering to the Russians” as his administration pushes for U.S.-Russia talks over Ukraine.

Special envoy Steve Witkoff suggested Ukraine’s NATO ambitions provoked the war and declined to blame Russia.

Zelenskyy, under pressure, said he would step down for peace if Ukraine gained NATO membership.

The Trump administration denies favoring Russia and claims its strategy brings peace closer without criticizing Putin’s invasion.

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[-] WatDabney@fedia.io 124 points 5 months ago

He's not "surrendering" to them - he's actively working for their benefit, as it's been clear all along he intended to do.

[-] DarkShaggy@lemmy.world 26 points 5 months ago

Was practically a campaign promise to do Papa Putin's bidding

[-] nebulaone@lemmy.world 12 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Putin must have dirt on Trump. I doubt Trump cares about anyone but himself.

[-] imvii@lemmy.ca 2 points 5 months ago

Trump probably owed the money, Putin got a bunch of dirt on Trump via honeypots or documented illegal activity. I suspect now all Putin is saying is "you're touchable. Play right or the daughter ends up in a rape camp in Siberia."

[-] upsidedown@lemmy.world 1 points 5 months ago

I don't think he'd care about the daughter really. He would care though about being shown for a fool he is. And I have no doubt that Trump understands this fully. Putin's propaganda machine both helped this orange narc get elected and is the means to strip him of it if he misbehaves.

[-] UltraMagnus0001@lemmy.world 5 points 5 months ago

Who hate NATO? Russia. Who's trump trying to distance America from NATO

[-] JuxtaposedJaguar@lemmy.ml 1 points 5 months ago

Yes, but he obviously doesn’t care about being called a traitor. He does care immensely about being seen as weak, which this article portrays his actions as.

[-] CosmicCleric@lemmy.world 102 points 5 months ago

Zelenskyy, under pressure, said he would step down for peace if Ukraine gained NATO membership.

Nice counter to the 'Zelenskyy is a dictator' narrative.

[-] Quill7513@slrpnk.net 72 points 5 months ago

this is worse than surrender. this is betrayal

[-] shittydwarf@lemmy.dbzer0.com 49 points 5 months ago
[-] floofloof@lemmy.ca 40 points 5 months ago

Trump surrendered to the Russians in 1987. He's just taking Ukraine and the rest of the USA with him this time.

[-] Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world 5 points 5 months ago

This part I'm out of the loop on. What happened in 1987?

[-] LittleLordFauntleroy@lemm.ee 21 points 5 months ago
[-] Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world 14 points 5 months ago

This is just a show to me of how far disconnected I am from reality. I started reading the article, and my brain immediately went "Oh, ok. It's a bunch of conspiracy theory nonsense. It doesn't actually make sense, and therefore doesn't pass the sniff test."

It was at that moment, I realized that modern day life itself doesn't pass the sniff test. There's been so much bullshit this past 10 years that triggers my bullshit sense. Very regularly I I think to myself that there's no way Donald Trump would be elected president......but yet he's been elected president. Twice.

I'm at the point where I don't know WHAT to believe now. Is this story bullshit? Maybe. Maybe not. Seems about as legit as anything else in this timeline. We've already gone through global pandemics, murder hornets, toilet paper shortages, Los Angeles best being described as "on fire", and during the presidential debate, they asked trump if he has a concentrated well thought out plan. His response? "I have concepts of a plan". THAT GUY then proceeded to win the election.

I'm at a point where I don't want to be cynical, but it just doesn't add up for me. HOW did an entire country see THAT display, the same debate he accused people in Ohio of eating cats and dogs, and think "I think I'm gonna vote for that guy". AND THEN HE WINS THE POPULAR VOTE???

I don't want to say it, because I have no proof, where there's smoke there's usually fire, but I'm not seeing the usual smoke. Yet I find myself unable to shake this instinctual feeling that the entire process was rigged from the start. I don't want to be that guy, but that's how it feels to me. Then you read a story like this, and it kind of lines up with his actions. Who's to say he WASN'T recruited by Russia 35 years ago? I have no way to argue against that in my own brain when I don't feel like I have a good grasp on what reality even IS anymore. And that all feels very by design. I don't like anything going on around me, and if we had a different planet to live on, I'd leave.

[-] seaQueue@lemmy.world 17 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

I'm at the point where I don't know WHAT to believe now. Is this story bullshit? Maybe. Maybe not. Seems about as legit as anything else in this timeline. We've already gone through global pandemics, murder hornets, toilet paper shortages, Los Angeles best being described as "on fire", and during the presidential debate, they asked trump if he has a concentrated well thought out plan. His response? "I have concepts of a plan". THAT GUY then proceeded to win the election.

This was exactly the goal the entire time. The flood of conspiracy nonsense broke the public's trust in almost every single reliable institution or source of news. Once that's done people will believe whatever they agree with and if you flood them with enough narrative supporting your cause they'll choose to believe you. Welcome to the Russian, Fox News and Republican propaganda strategy, this is how they converted half of voting age Americans into voters for a bankrupt "businessman" who'll tear apart our entire govt, society and public for a profit.

Edit: this is why "fake news" was so alarming back in 2016, you've got journalists and competent trustworthy people presenting facts then political authorities pop off with "oh that's fake news, just trust me" and all of a sudden truth no longer matters when it's inconvenient for your party. Not that truth has mattered much in US politics for the last 75 years, govt and capitalist propaganda has clashed with the reality of life for so long that something like this was inevitable.

[-] Cryan24@lemmy.world 19 points 5 months ago

Who's Trump? Don't the mean Krasnov?

[-] naonintendois@programming.dev 4 points 5 months ago
[-] Glitterbomb@lemmy.world 11 points 5 months ago

"A former KGB officer alleges that Donald Trump was recruited as a Soviet spy in 1987, nicknamed 'Krasnov'."

[-] stringere@sh.itjust.works 4 points 5 months ago

краснов

[-] JuxtaposedJaguar@lemmy.ml 1 points 5 months ago

Big Balls and friends

[-] Davel23@fedia.io 17 points 5 months ago

To surrender to something don't you have to oppose it at some point?

[-] cabron_offsets@lemmy.world 13 points 5 months ago

It couldn’t be any clearer that the blyats own him.

[-] Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world 9 points 5 months ago

"Duuuuuuuh!!!!" says literally everybody else.

Seriously, this is NOT news. This has been going on for like 8 years now.

[-] OutlierBlue@lemmy.ca 15 points 5 months ago

This is news because it needs to be broadcast loud and clear to everyone. To fight fascism you need to document and report on everything they do. It needs to be spread far and wide so there's no misunderstanding of what's going on.

[-] seaQueue@lemmy.world 7 points 5 months ago

You don't surrender to the people giving you your marching orders, you just hop when they tell you to hop

[-] Paragone@lemmy.world 6 points 5 months ago

He is Putin's beta/apprentice.

That is an entirely-distinct reality, with many far-reaching consequences.

Pretending that he is merely surrendering-to-Russia .. is suicide.

[-] HighFructoseLowStand@lemm.ee 5 points 5 months ago

Water 'is wet' top Democrat says

[-] bitjunkie@lemmy.world 5 points 5 months ago

Media kid gloves are infuriating

[-] Bytemeister@lemmy.world 5 points 5 months ago

Is it really surrendering when they're on the same team?

[-] DicJacobus@lemmy.world 5 points 5 months ago

how can you surrender to a group that already owns you, bought , paid for and signed?

[-] rayyy@lemmy.world 4 points 5 months ago

The weak, incompetent and confused are easily lead. Putin spent a lot of time looking for this guy.

[-] TokenBoomer@lemmy.world 2 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Was America at war with Russia?

[-] Nalivai@lemmy.world 2 points 5 months ago

They somehow managed to lose without actually getting into a war. It's very impressive actually, being that bad.

[-] towelie@lemm.ee 1 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Thank you for telling me what the Republican leadership is doing.

What are YOU doing?

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