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I'm in my late 20s now and I feel so much despair.

I think a huge factor that shaped my world is my breakup almost 3 years ago. I had dated several people, actually more than several, before then.

I feel like people think I am delusional when I say this, but he was genuinely the nicest person I've ever met in my life. I don't understand how it's possible for someone to have actually cared about me to the extent he did. At times I felt like he actually cared about me more than my own mom did. It wasn't just that, he was intelligent and hilarious too and we had a lot in common.

Unfortunately I wasn't good enough for him and he didn't want to continue the relationship. This basically fundamentally broke me.

I had my share of heartbreaks before, but even when I met him, I was basically at my breaking point with love. I remember telling myself this was my last try (because I was so done). To this day I literally have no idea how I could have so much in common with someone. It's like we completely agreed on almost every aspect in life. Did he just lie to me or agree with everything I said or something?

Apparently he has also had random acquaintances tell him he's a breath of fresh air and so nice to be around compared to most people, so it's not just me.

I really don't know what to do other than cry about losing him. I've tried so hard to find happiness for myself but how could I let something like that go?

My life hasn't gotten any better since then and I honestly think I am hopeless. Genuinely.

Literally everyone pales in comparison to what I had with him. Even though what I had clearly wasn't real, because ultimately he clearly didn't feel the same about me since he chose to leave. It felt real to me, talking to him is the most enjoyable thing I had experienced in my life.

This all sounds extremely sad and pathetic but really what am I supposed to do? I bet most people haven't even come close to meeting someone like him so they can't relate to this at all. I am going to sound insane again but I think he is some prodigy or something. Like one of those one in a million once in a lifetime people that most won't even get the chance to meet.

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[-] Zhayl@lemmy.world 4 points 6 hours ago

How to start this. I think there are a lot of underlying issues with what I have read and this is only an outside perspective. Some other commenters have already said similar things but here we go. Take this all with a grain of salt and ponder if any of this fits. It is not an attack but my observations and experiences from a cruel world.

First thing I would like to point out is you seem to have a need to gain happiness from others. By this I mean you saying your life hasn't gotten any better, hopelessness, how great this person is and they greatly improved your life, etc to me sounds like you have some deeper issues with yourself. You are broken in the mind somewhere or perhaps an empath where you can't help but rely on others for emotional balance. Where ever that stems from I feel like it may be eating away at your perception of everything around you. This is the first thing you need to correct in your mind before you will ever find happiness with another person. There is no one nor just one right way for people to find who they are. Many are never put in the position to figure that out. But alas it should be something you strive for. Much more to say on this matter because if is important but the night is late so I'll continue. I see this in your comments because you can't let the past go and enjoy the good experiences you gained from it. You are accusing yourself of "not being good enough" for this gentleman. You are comparing yourself to his friends. You've then compared your entire life to not "improving" from something three years ago. That one is is the worst mental shackle you can put on yourself. You say "don't throw me a pity party" but that is the whole post. Why do you dedicate so much of your mental capacity to constantly tell yourself horrible things? Silly humans and emotions. What are you doing to try to improve your situation?

Second part I would like to touch on is has already been covered by others but you sound incredible naive when it comes to dealing with people. There are all times of people out there. Majority of people are good and mean well most of the time but we all carry inherent bad traits. It is on the person to recognize and learn to live a good life with those traits. But you can't rely on people always being good to you because that isn't the world we live in. You need to develop critical thinking when dealing with other people. For example everyone has a motive. What is their motive when interacting with you? It can be good or it could be bad. Narcissistic people are a great example of the type of person that uses emotion or some other form of leverage to turn situations in their favor. But there is just a drop in the river of what kind of people are out there. No individual is limited in their capacity either. You can meet someone that is a master manipulator but only does good with their abilities. The old neighbor that always shows up to help, gives you the best advice, or just makes you happy when you are down. The world isn't black and white though. If you don't have a natural talent to identify people and their motives there are plenty of self help books, videos, and therapist you can gather the knowledge from. The kicker is you never stop learning and identifying new types of individuals. To me it is beautiful to see the diversity that is our species. Learn to see things differently than you do now.

Last part for this evening is learning that sometimes the right thing isn't. Just because we desire or feel something so completely it feels like a missing piece of yourself, doesn't mean it will work out. You may never have another relationship that completes you as much as that gentleman but I say that is pure folly. You've limited yourself to never having room for improvement and it will negatively affect all future judgements you make like shooting yourself in the foot before the race starts. We have to play by the universe's whims and not being able to let go of something will destroy your mind. For context I ended a relationship with what in my mind is the greatest woman for me. But life had other plans. I remember the bad and good but try my best to dwell on the good. Makes me happy to remember her love for baking. I miss her and wish it had turned out different. It would also be extremely unfair to previous and future relationships though to say no one else can compete. All relationships have ups and downs, it really just comes down to how much energy the other person can put into making it work. Also communication. But that is a whole book that would need to be written.

To sum up my rant now that I'm looking back at this wall of text. Get out of the pity party pool, pull your big girl pants up and educate yourself on yourself as well as how to deal with other flesh bags I mean humans. You did good reaching out to others though. That is the first step no matter how small it may seem. Pat yourself on the back just keep trying if even a little. The universe if unforgiving but there are a lot of people willing to help. Chin up you'll make it through.

[-] Djfok43@lemmy.world 1 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago)

I feel you are broken in the mind somewhere

Pull up your big girl pants

Tough love/insult approach doesn't work with me. Anyways, since you are the one who broke up with your "ideal person" or whatnot I feel like our situations aren't all that comparable. Thanks for trying to help if it was in good faith, though it doesn't sound that way.

[-] lars@lemmy.sdf.org 2 points 5 hours ago

This doesn’t sound pathetic. These can be some of the biggest emotional pains we ever endure.

I send you compassion, respect, and reassurance that your late 20s feel suuuuuuper old. But only while you’re in them.

[-] Djfok43@lemmy.world 1 points 3 hours ago

So if they only feel old when you're in them, that means I am delusional and it will only get worse from here. Thanks for that 💀

[-] rowinxavier@lemmy.world 4 points 14 hours ago

Honestly chances are he was not all he appeared. Many people who are abusive appear nice at first then once they have power they start pushing boundaries and seeing what they can get away with. Once they get away with something they push the boundary a little further until years have passed and they can do whatever they want without consequence.

Add in narcissistic behaviours and someone can seem amazing, very kind and gentle, and wonderfully intelligent and capable while actually being none of those things. It is entirely possible he was conning the entire time, telling you stories of his life that were untrue, distorted, and extremely favourable to him.

Have a think about stories he has told you. See if you can find inconsistencies, places where facts don't line up. If he was telling the truth everything would line up well, but if it doesn't line up really well he was lying. If it lines up fairly well he may or may not have been lying but we can't know.

An example is my partner's mother was a narcissistic abuser who made some really obviously false claims. He said he was a geography teacher but it came out later he was working for a school but not teaching, he was the groundskeeper. This on it's own would not be enough to be sure he was a deceptive person but it became part of a pattern. He lied about money, he lied about achievements, he cheated, he abused the kids, and he became more and more violent over the years. Now he lives in a rural area as a real estate agent, using his charm to sell houses for more than they are worth. I guess he found his calling?

Dr Ramani has a great YouTube channel about narcissism and if your ex is not a narcissist then nothing there will sound familiar. Maybe give it a look.

[-] gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 14 hours ago)

Don't be hard on yourself. We live in very strange times. Strange things happen. Sometimes it's better to just move on.

About 14 years ago, I met the "perfect" woman. She was interested in all the same things I was,. I enjoyed spending time with her and we would just talk for hours. We didn't date very long before we decided to get married.

And then the cracks started showing. What I thought was "perfect" was actually the outward manifestation of an undiagnosed mental illness where she was just "mirroring" the person she thought I wanted her to be. What followed was 6 years of absolute hell, the story of which is too long and too awful for me to recount here. When my first marriage ended, I felt like I was perfectly happy to be alone for the rest of my life. Being alone is better than being chained to your enemy.


I'm not saying your situation would have ended up like mine. Just giving some context.


A short time later, I met someone else. I wasn't looking for a relationship. I did not think I wanted a relationship. I just thought she was cute and decided to chat her up. We hit it off and after a while, to my surprise, she asked me out. I was actually kind of excited but also scared shitless. I didn't really know what to do so I decided I would just be honest. Without going into too much detail, I told her where I was at emotionally, that I wasn't looking for anything really serious, and that if she was ok with that we could go out. If not, I get it. No hard feelings.

Fast forward about 7 years. We're coming up on our 5th wedding anniversary. I adopted her daughter and we had two more kids. NGL, the last few years have been rough for a lot of reasons but I wouldn't want to have spent them with anyone else. My wife is my best friend. I am very fortunate that she somehow waltzed into one of the worst chapters in my life and didn't immediately run away.

She is not "perfect". I'm certainly not either. We are not the same person. We are different people with different life experiences that have shaped who we are. I had to stop looking for "perfect" to find what I actually needed. "Perfect" was what got me in hot water to begin with.

When I was thinking about whether I wanted to get with serious with my (now) wife, I threw my criteria out the window and tried to focus on what really mattered.

Is she a good and moral person? Do we have compatible values?

Are we a good fit personality wise?

Do I enjoy spending time with her?

Do we have enough overlapping interests to make our time together interesting?

Is she OK with me investing time in my interests that she doesn't share?

She definitely checks all those boxes.

Don't spend the rest of your life mourning what might have been. You will never know how things would have turned out. It could have been great it could also have been awful. There are plenty of people out there who are terrible people. But there are also a lot of good people. I'm willing to bet the right person for you is out there and you may not even be looking for them when they show up.

[-] Subtracty@lemmy.world 8 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

My little sister recently went through a similar breakup. The wound is still very fresh in her case. I will tell her this information in time, but she is in the processing phase right now. So if you'll indulge me, here is a little advice from a big sister on break-ups with 'the perfect guy'.

Often, guys like this are chameleons. I have seen a few people like this in my life. Wonderful, charismatic people who make the person they are talking to at the time feel like they are standing in the glow of sunshine. They aren't being manipulative or intentionally trying to love bomb the person. It is just in their nature to be agreeable and find meaningful connections with people.

You mentioned other acquaintances feeling like he was a wonderful guy. It is completely possible that he is a great, intelligent, funny guy with whom you had a great connection. And yet, he did not feel as deeply as you because he connects so easily with most people he interacts with.

In your own words, he "cared about me more than my own mom" and yet "wasn't good enough for him and he didn't want to continue the relationship." It seems there is a disconnect between how deeply you felt he loved you, and how much you loved him. This is where a lot of the pain and sadness comes from in the breakup. When that glow of sunshine you were basking in is gone, the shadow feels especially cold.

I do not know anything about your relationship aside from what you have described. However, I fear you have fallen into a mentality of thinking no one else could ever compare to him. I have seen people dating 'the perfect guy' (Top of his class Harvard, D1/pro athlete, sexy charismatic surgeon...prodigy in the eyes of many) and yet, he wasn't the right person for their relationship. People who are accustomed to being the best at everything make really good chameleons. They want to be the best at friendships and relationships, too.

I do not want to tarnish your relationship, or discredit the pain that it brought you. I want to highlight the fact that there are other men out there that are absolutely a better, more unique fit for a loving relationship with you. A lot of the successful relationships I have seen are between people whose glow shines more exclusively on their romantic partner. Often times friends and acquaintances will say things like "I don't get it." Rather than him being so obviously great to everyone, he will be more specifically great for you.

All that being said, what to do next? Focus on you. Fall in love with yourself for the time being. Do what makes you happy, and the right person will be pulled into your orbit because you know yourself and what brings you joy. Your late 20's are just the beginning of the adventure.

[-] Djfok43@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

It's weird cause he said he's done more for me than he has for anyone in his family or in his life.. but still, he has commitment issues and a whole host of other issues too so it doesn't matter does it

[-] Subtracty@lemmy.world 2 points 23 hours ago

Well, now he just sounds like a turd. It isn't normal to quantify acts of love and use them as a metric of comparison. You do them because you care about the person. It sounds like he needs to figure himself out before he can have a functioning relationship, and it makes sense that he has commitment issues.

[-] Djfok43@lemmy.world 2 points 22 hours ago* (last edited 21 hours ago)

I mean, he did occasionally say turd-like things but everyone has flaws. He also said he wishes I was prettier so he wouldn't have doubts about marrying me lol.

He meant it in the context of telling me I treated him worse than his friends do, and he said that after we got into an argument once. His friends are more like acquaintances and he has never had to live with them.

Honestly I wish I could remember wtf actually happened (apart him constantly trying to leave when there was an issue instead of trying to solve it). That was a common pattern. Like if I would ever communicate to him anything that "bugged" me, he would just be like "do you want me to leave I feel like I'm just making you unhappy" and I would be like "no I do not want you to leave are you insane" but then he would keep mentioning leaving or booking a flight back and eventually I was just like.. I think bro just wants to leave

We had to cohabitate temporarily, somewhat soon after first meeting in person, and I think the learning curve of me being his first gf plus that was just too much for him to handle

Either way it became exhausting after a while being the only person who wanted to make the relationship work

[-] dan00@lemm.ee 3 points 19 hours ago

You just listed a bunch of red flags ahaha girl who the fuck says “i wish you were prettier”? Not even in a heated argument… never

[-] Djfok43@lemmy.world 2 points 18 hours ago

He was just being honest and he didn't say it to hurt me he just told me how he was feeling

[-] dan00@lemm.ee 1 points 17 hours ago

You know better for sure. I personally don’t know if I would have said it even if it was true.

[-] Djfok43@lemmy.world 1 points 17 hours ago

I mean me neither but like that doesn't make him a bad person or anything

[-] Subtracty@lemmy.world 2 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago)

Alright, you dodged a bullet. Better to be single than with a man like that.

[-] Djfok43@lemmy.world 1 points 18 hours ago

What do you mean "a man like that"? I'm sure most men think it, he's the only one that was honest about it

[-] Subtracty@lemmy.world 3 points 18 hours ago

No decent human thinks like that. And certainly a good person wouldn't say it, even in the heat of an argument to hurt you.

You can say most men think it, but frankly, most men aren't worth dating if they have an attitude like this. I think this guy has warped your perspective. You are worth way more than whatever he was providing in this relationship. It is becoming increasingly clear from your responses that he falls incredibly short of 'perfect guy' or 'prodigy' territory.

[-] Djfok43@lemmy.world 1 points 17 hours ago

I'm not trying to be antagonistic when I say this, but I don't think it's his fault that he is shallow. He probably couldn't help the fact that he wasn't as attracted to me as he would have liked to be. I don't necessarily think that makes him a bad person, though I kind of agree he maybe shouldn't have dated me or led me on to the point that he did, if he knew from the start I was not what he was looking for.

I think he was just excited to finally have a gf, and to have met a girl he had a bunch in common with that he liked talking to. I think he definitely liked the validation and attention from it too.

I think maybe im being easy on his wrongdoings because of the nice things he did for me too. And they weren't super small things either. I don't know, but all I can say is I've met a lot of guys and I never felt like anyone understood me or even remotely cared about me like he did. Maybe I'm just unlikeable trash, because at this point that's my only explanation. Its not like I've rejected a bunch of good guys or anything.

Maybe his honesty was a way to absolve himself of the guilt he felt by leading me on, I'm not sure. But I feel like if either way he is going to date me, it's better to be honest about how he feels at least a little.

Honestly, that didn't offend me because I know I'm not that pretty, and he did warn me that he is generally shallow appearance-wise. So like nothing he said was wrong. And I do get why he would want someone prettier to be with "forever". It did make me a bit sad though that I couldn't be what he wanted.

[-] Subtracty@lemmy.world 3 points 13 hours ago

Ok, I don't know you personally. But, I feel like we have gotten to know each other a bit here. So I will be direct here. You need to stop disparaging yourself. I don't care if you look like Nosfuratu or Sasquatch! No one deserves to go through life thinking they might be unlikeable trash. And from what you have written here, it is obvious you are a caring and articulate person worthy of love.

Being open and honest about being shallow makes you a bad person. I have seen your other comments defending him because telling the truth doesn't make you a bad person. Being honest doesn't have to mean you are mean. I know his other good attributes masked the negativity. But you need to start reframing him in your thoughts as an asshole ex-boyfriend. He is a jerk. Full stop. No questions asked. On the scale of bad ex-boyfriends he might not compare to the pscho stalker guys, but I assure you, he is on the list.

Listen, I know the dating scene is rough right now. There are way too many men who have the audacity to think they are better than the women they date. But you have to start building the foundations of a good relationship by thinking positively about yourself first.

[-] Azzu@lemm.ee 1 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago)

As someone who has told his partner that she is not as pretty as I would like her to be, I wholeheartedly disagree with you that someone telling their girlfriend that makes them a bad person.

There are people who appreciate unconditional honesty. I also know that I'm not as pretty as she would like me to be. It's a simple reality that we're both not perfectly attractive.

There are people in the world who truly appreciate unconditional honesty, who don't care about "sparing someone's feelings" by lying to them.

My partner also knows I love her very much. She also knows I don't really care very much about her not being perfectly pretty. She also knows her worth isn't dependent on being pretty or not. We're perfectly happy together, she would tell you the same thing. Incidentally, we also believe in polyamory and are both not jealous of our partner having relations with other people. We both like to get our fix of "more pretty" from other people.

In my opinion, it's absolutely useless to believe you are pretty when you are not. There are so many ways to make yourself look prettier, but you won't do those if you already believe you're perfectly pretty. Acknowledging reality is not a bad thing.

[-] Subtracty@lemmy.world 2 points 11 hours ago

I didn't endorse being delusional about your looks. I told her to stop disparaging herself.

Any man who leaves his romantic partner with the thought that she is unloveable trash is not a good guy.

Congratulations on your relationship and being able to insult one anothers looks and still respect one another. This is clearly not the case with OP. Thank you for reinforcing that she isn't pretty and introducing the novel idea that she can make herself look prettier if she only puts in effort!

Not helpful, but thank you for your opinion!

[-] Azzu@lemm.ee 1 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago)

insult one anothers looks and still respect one another. This is clearly not the case with OP

It is clearly the case with OP though, isn't it? She literally said that she's fine with him saying that he doesn't find her that pretty, it's only that he led her on which she doesn't like:

I don’t necessarily think that makes him a bad person, though I kind of agree he maybe shouldn’t have dated me or led me on to the point that he did

to which you respond that he clearly is a bad person:

Being open and honest about being shallow makes you a bad person

That is the only thing I'm disagreeing with here. I didn't say I disagree with anything else.

I'm disagreeing with you on this point because replacing the current wrong reality (he is completely amazing) with another wrong reality (he is completely terrible) is not the way to go, and anyway, will not work. But even if it works, your approach of calling him a bad person and comparing him with psycho stalkers is not the right approach, so, in return, I could also say that you're not being helpful. He is quite obviously a flawed human being, but I definitely see no major evidence of him being a bad person either.

[-] spankmonkey@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

All of what you said is spot on about a particular type of person who isn't malicious but does seem to forge a lot of shallow relationships and not really focusing on one, but I don't get the chameleon thing. Is it because they easily adapt to whatever setting they are in by changing how they act?

[-] Subtracty@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Yes, they tend to adjust their personality to suit the person they are talking to. Adapting to match someone enthusiasm for a subject, and just generally blending really well with whoever they are coomunicating with.

I find these people are often very easy to like. However, they don't know themselves well enough to be a great relationship partner because they spend too much time trying to be cohesive with the other person.

Sorry, I realize I got caught up in my own ramblings and didn't define the term.

[-] Djfok43@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Yeah.. interesting poem I came across

[-] AFKBRBChocolate@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago

That's the thing about relationships: they have to work for both people. The fact that it didn't with him doesn't mean you're bad and he's good, it just wasn't what he needed. If you've dated other people, you've probably experienced the reverse.

Unless all your relationships have broken down for the same reasons, there's no reason to think that the next one won't be better, or the one after that.

One thing though - it's clear from what you posted that your self-esteem is really low, and most of us do self-destructive things when our self-esteem is low. There's a cliche about it being hard to love someone else it you don't love yourself, but bring a cliche doesn't mean it's false. It's also very taxing on someone to be in a relationship with someone that has very low self-esteem. Not everyone can handle that.

[-] Djfok43@lemmy.world 2 points 20 hours ago

Tbh his self esteem was quite low often, but it also fluctuated with periods of thinking he is godlike. I didn't personally find it taxing to deal with his insecurities. I was just bewildered at how much he hated himself and thought he was unworthy of love while simultaneously running away from the one girl who loved him. Kind of funny. Ha ha.

[-] Azzu@lemm.ee 3 points 1 day ago

I'm just going to add my voice.

You likely have been very much programmed to think of this one true love bullshit. It's romantic feel-good stuff that sells books and TV shows and other media, but it's not the reality. It's a fantasy.

You are this, and even more, compatible with a plethora of people. There are a lot of people you could love like you loved this person.

The only thing stopping you from feeling this again is yourself. If you want to believe that there is no one as amazing as your old flame out there, then that is how it is. Your belief in this makes it true. Because as long as you believe this, you will eternally focus on all the ways the new person is not the same as the guy you loved, instead of appreciating the new person for the different features they have.

As soon as you stop believing that guy is the best ever and no one can ever compare, that is when you will find someone new who you think is as amazing. Not a single moment before, you simply couldn't even recognize it.

In the meantime... Another thing everyone has said is that it is actually possible to be completely content by yourself. You don't actually need any romantic partner to be happy. It's the same as above: as long as you believe that you'll never be happy if you don't find someone as amazing as that guy, then that's how it will be, you will be unhappy. But as soon as you believe that you can be happy by yourself, that's when you will actually be happy alone. It is actually that simple. I'm sure there are things you love to do that don't involve a romantic partner. You can do these indefinitely and stay happy. As long as you believe that you can.

[-] Djfok43@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

I don't believe in the one true love bs. I thought that about my first real boyfriend. Then I got over that eventually.

The point is this person was objectively better than most. That's different. It's not even about love.

Anyway I've never liked this line of thinking, it's very just world fallacy-esque. "Its your fault if things don't work out because you brought this upon yourself and deserve it" no thanks

[-] Azzu@lemm.ee 1 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago)

Nevermind the can of worms of you saying someone is "objectively" better...

But you also said "better than most". Most. So why not find someone else that is in exactly that category? What's stopping you from that?

[-] Djfok43@lemmy.world 1 points 15 hours ago

Well, I guess one of the things stopping me from that is that it took me 24 years just to meet a single person like that.

The other thing is that I wasn't good enough for him so why would I be good enough for someone else like him?

The third is that I'm older now, so I'm "less desirable" although idk if I ever was desirable based on my experiences. Either earth is actual hell or i am significantly defective in some way(s)

[-] Azzu@lemm.ee 1 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago)

I see.

First of all, I'm sorry for writing this much, but in my opinion these words are required, and the issue you're going through is not easy to solve and requires a lot of words. This paragraph was written after I wrote all of the following.

You are neither defective nor is Earth actual hell. However, life is certainly a very hard struggle, there is no denying that. And most people have no real clue navigating life, most are either miserable or lucked into a "good" life. And then many of the people who lucked out into a good life give shitty advice because they think their good life is somehow their achievement. That makes it incredibly hard to figure out how to achieve a good life, because there's so many conflicting advice from people who have no clue.

I'm not saying that I have a clue, because that is for you to figure out. But I have started life shittily and I am now living a good life.

You're looking for advice, that fact alone is incredibly important. I would never be where I am without the incredible support of all the people I've interacted with over the years. Many people have too much ego to look for any kind of advice, so you looking for it bodes very well for your future. If you keep that up, I'm sure you'll get to a good place. However, a word of warning, be very suspicious of all advice you get and evaluate each piece of advice you get carefully, including mine, otherwise you will end up chasing the wrong advice a lot of your time, ending up not actually improving anything.

You weren't good enough for him. That much you figured out yourself. From what you have said so far, I believe that to be accurate. And this hurts a lot. While you have little enough ego to ask for advice, your ego is still there and it's one of the worst feelings for it to get hurt. For most, the feeling of their ego being hurt is worse than any physical pain they could receive. So I'm feeling with you, I'm sorry that you're feeling what you're feeling.

The question now is, can you endure this pain and turn it into something positive, or will you enter a downward spiral that is incredibly hard to get out of? Currently, you're on the path of the downward spiral. Your seeking advice here is your attempt to not stay on this path. That is very very admirable and requires lots of strength. I hope for you that you can keep up this strength, because I'm sure you can do it and I just want you (and everyone) to be able to be happy.

If my words can help you, I would be very glad. However I'm also just a human, I make mistakes, I'm not perfect. I don't know you or your experiences beyond what you offered to share here. So please disregard what I say if it doesn't help you, tell me where I'm wrong. Because I'm also wrong a lot.

So the issue is how desirable you are. And that you are not desirable enough.

You are absolutely right that what physical attractiveness concerns, you are on a timer. In heterosexual relationships, how the woman looks matters to the man, and vice versa, but not as much. Male attraction is generally based on female youthfulness and the related visual cues for that. So, as a woman, getting older means less physical attractiveness, that is the simple reality.

However, there are multiple mitigating factors.

First of all, makeup and beauty surgery exists, as well as simply being fit, taking care of your body, using clothing/style etc etc. There are incredibly many ways to raise your physical attractiveness, that I'm sure you're not all using. All of these things combined can make you physically very attractive until late, very late in life. I'm a man and there are plenty of women in their 50s I still find physically attractive and would have no problem being sexual and having a relationship with solely based on physical attractiveness.

Second of all, even though physical attractiveness is more important for women than for men, it is still not the only important thing. How a woman behaves in all kinds of situations, what she believes and so on, still matters. In fact, I would argue that for good men, this actually matters much more than physical attractiveness. And this part of your desireability (hopefully) only increases the older you get, the more experience you gather, the more you improve yourself. That is why I said earlier that you're on a good path with this post right here. If you want to be desirable, work on your personality. Figure out what is attractive to the men you want to attract.

For me, for example, the most attractive qualities in a woman that makes me want to fuck her brains out all the time and keep doing it for the rest of my life, is self-awareness, true openness, a growth mindset, little to no ego, spontaneity, optimism, to only name a few. If you are like that, I barely care about how you look.

So, what I'm saying is, no, nothing is lost. You don't have to despair. Your desireability can be greatly improved, if you want to. A fun side effect of that will be that you will simply become a better, more confident, more relaxed, more independent person. You might even find that you don't need the love of anyone, because you know deep in your heart that you are "good enough" for yourself, not for anyone else.

I noticed a couple of "problems" with your personality just in the little bit you revealed here. I don't mean that as an insult, I mean that in the way that there are possibilities for you to improve. These "problems" are very likely not even your fault, everyone grows up in an environment that isn't perfect, with people that aren't perfect, everyone starts with some kind of shitty beliefs.

[-] Djfok43@lemmy.world 1 points 9 hours ago

you're right you're not good enough for him and you're not desirable enough

Continues saying bad things about me based off of a few comments

Considering you've never met the guy nor me, those are some very bold statements you're making. Yeah I'm not interested in this discussion, you can go bully someone else now under the guise of "helping" them

[-] Azzu@lemm.ee 1 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago)

I don't see how it is bullying, am I not simply saying what you're also saying? Does this mean you are bullying yourself? I'm just agreeing with you. Should I not have done that?

I am truly trying to help you, but as I said in this comment, if it isn't helping you, you're free to disregard it :)

[-] Djfok43@lemmy.world 1 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago)

You're also free not to spam my post with personal attacks in multiple comments

[-] Azzu@lemm.ee 1 points 8 hours ago

Where am I attacking you personally? I really don't understand...

[-] Djfok43@lemmy.world 1 points 8 hours ago

If you're gonna edit your comments now to remove the insults towards me, you can go ahead /s

Either way stop talking to me

[-] Azzu@lemm.ee 1 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago)

I have not removed any insults towards you. My editing has just been for grammar and spelling mistakes.

Edit: anyway, you can see that the other comments (except this one) have not been edited recently.

[-] dan00@lemm.ee 2 points 1 day ago

Yikes that sounds familiar as fk. My 2 cents: you might be craving isolation (and maybe in part is okay) but actually going out and meet people is better for yourself, force it if necessary. Change habits, meet new people. Shit happens in life, it’s only sad and pathetic if you let it consume you.

[-] Djfok43@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

You're right, but where I live the people are very closed minded and most of the expats are married and older with kids and family or are digital nomads who plan to leave soon/live in their coliving spaces and only interact with other nomads 💀

[-] dan00@lemm.ee 1 points 19 hours ago

Yep it sucks when it’s like this but I’m sure it could be worse. Ask yourself what do YOU like to do (chess, reading, gym, parc) and find a group in your city to hang out with. Make your day full, super full. You should come back home everyday exhausted, force yourself like this for a couple of months to make it a habit. When it will become too much you can start leaving some activities aside, giving value to what you really like.

Also Idk if saying that he's the best of the best can help you or him. You are probably exaggerating a bit and maybe you tolerate some quirks of him that prob others would hate. He too probably doesn’t feel the best of the best and hearing the disconnection between you and others might harm him.

Anyway socialising (even if you rather break your leg instead of talking to ppl) is the best way to get out of this. I was on the other side, i saw the whole process…

[-] Djfok43@lemmy.world 2 points 18 hours ago

Disconnect between me and others? As I said others like him too so there's no disconnect there

[-] dan00@lemm.ee 1 points 17 hours ago

Like him and prodigy are different :) but anyway I just think that in this moment maybe it doesn’t help you.

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