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submitted 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) by spujb@lemmy.cafe to c/yepowertrippinbastards@lemmy.dbzer0.com

Summary:

  • @Cat@ponder.cat was posting at a high volume to !news@lemmy.world
  • there is no written rule on !news@lemmy.world about post volume
  • there is no written rule on ponder.cat about post volume
  • !news is the one single community Cat was this active in
  • !news has no ponder.cat mods
  • from my understanding, all rules Cat did break were unrelated to volume (correct me if I am wrong)
  • ponder.cat admin @PhilipTheBucket@ponder.cat reaches out to Cat via comment and then DM essentially threatening account deletion if Cat doesn’t lower their activity level
  • Cat understandably deletes their account because who wants that

Of course, PhilipTheBucket had the right to do this, but I also think it’s exceedingly bad form and people have a right to know that this admin is willing to go above the community mods’ head like that.

Internet etiquette has dictates for dealing with undesirable yet not rule-breaking behavior that was just ignored here. Communication should be chosen before simple fist waving and threats.

I agree with this comment that this is a bait-provoked reaction. Next time I recommend:

  • at the instance/admin level, the creation of instance rules about volume
  • at the community level, advocacy for community rules about volume (i.e. “[Meta] Petition: Limit daily submissions to !news to ensure community quality”)
  • avoid personal slapfights to get your way
  • avoid escalation directly to account termination threats

Source: https://ponder.cat/post/1731587

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[-] catloaf@lemm.ee 22 points 5 months ago

this admin is willing to go above the community mods’ head

This doesn't make any sense. Admins are responsible for their users wherever they are. If an account is overposting from an instance, the admin is well within their rights to address it, as you said.

[-] spujb@lemmy.cafe 13 points 5 months ago

Yes. We agree. The admin has a right to address the issue they perceive. And as I said right after, users have the right to know that this is the swift, emotionally charged, and overbearing due process that the admin may choose to implement.

If there were any written rules or good faith communication of instance standards I would not be making this post.

[-] lvxferre@mander.xyz 21 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

~~BPR. This could have been handled better but I don't think that the admin was powertripping.~~

EDIT: I'm changing my take to YDI / UDI (user deserved it). See discussion with the admin, his usage of power was 100% justified.

IMO what Philip did wrong:

  • the issue was in a single community, so he should've let that community's mods handle it. If the user was doing this shit across multiple communities it would be different.
  • lack of transparency on what's considered [un]acceptable behaviour for ponder.cat users. A single "be nice" would be enough to justifiably get rid of Cat.
  • direct escalation, like OP said. Philip's initial comment lecturing Cat doesn't sound like an admin speaking officially; but when he does, it pops out of nowhere.

In the meantime, look at all Cat's replies in the linked thread: the user is not just being spammy, they are being uncooperative, belittling other users, and passive aggressive. This sort of behaviour should not be given a free pass, and I do think that, if Philip dug across Cat's post/comment history, he would find more reasons to ban the user from his instance... at least if his instance had some rule against poor behaviour.

Internet etiquette has dictates for dealing with undesirable yet not rule-breaking behavior that was just ignored here.

A lot of those dictates boil down to "report, ignore, move on". Reporting would do nothing, and ignoring would be bad advice - because bad behaviour tends to spread. Eventually you aren't just blocking a single person, but a whole lot... or leaving the space because why bother. As such, users in communities with lax moderation tend to monitor each other's behaviour a bit, and this is not a bad thing.

[-] spujb@lemmy.cafe 4 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

fully agree! especially the part about it only being in a single community thats a key fact i should have mentioned :)

[-] lemonmelon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 21 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

After the exchange I've had with spujb in this thread, I'm convinced of their bad-faith intentions for posting it. In that comment chain, I told them that I had not reported the thread for removal, which is still true at the time of this comment. However, let it be noted that the post is in violation of the sidebar rules, specifically

  • Post only about bans or other sanctions that you have received from a mod or admin.

and

  • Don't harass mods or brigade comms. Don't word your posts in a way that would trigger such harassment and brigades.

No sanction was imposed on spujb, they are fully a third-party to this matter. Their post title and body is deliberately inflammatory towards @PhilipTheBucket@ponder.cat and ponder.cat as a whole.

Additionally, the post runs afoul of a post guideline:

  1. Provide a screenshot of the relevant modlog entry (don't de-obfuscate mod names).

This post has all the markings of a punitive reaction by sbujb to criticism (both direct and via downvotes) levied against them in another thread on this comm. I am aware that this very comment could read that way as well; my justification is that I attempted to communicate directly with OP, whose response was the equivalent of sticking their fingers into their ears and singing off-key, loudly, while running away.

In the event that I do make a formal report, I will use the preceeding text of this comment, and update the comment to indicate that I've done so. Absent that, any action taken on the post will be for reasons that do not involve a report from me.

This community should be a tool against mod/admin authority and abuse, not a weapon to settle a grudge.

[-] pelikan@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

However, let it be noted that the post is in violation of the sidebar rules

This is certainly a valid point, however, your words are equally true of PhilipTheBucket's original report where they are also fully a third-party.

Are you also claiming that PhilipTheBucket acted in bad faith? Would you report both posts (if you'll finaly decide to take an action), not just this one? Could you please clarify your position if your answer is "no".

[-] spujb@lemmy.cafe 5 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

haha :) if the post gets taken down i’m fine with it but i maintain its relevance to community dialogue. i also notice you have dropped your initial claims that “it’s unmarked meta” because of course that claim was never a true criticism.

i am here only as a reporter of behavior. i don’t even know what “punitive reaction” you are talking about. (oh i got some downvotes somwhere? well this post got some upvotes so…)

to me, a threat of a sanction is just as valid subject to be commented on as a sanction. previously, i have also created posts about admin inaction (dereliction) entirely and the posts were also left up, which leads me to believe community mods are with me. here’s an example: https://lemmy.cafe/post/12745277

(unblocked obviously, because you are funny)

[-] Flatworm7591@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 5 months ago

I think the threat of a sanction still qualifies.

[-] spujb@lemmy.cafe 5 points 5 months ago

Thanks for the clarification :)

[-] Ledivin@lemmy.world 19 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Same admin that asked if he was in the wrong for banning someone that reported a comment that he thought was fine. Response was basically unanimous that he was in the wrong.

Naturally, he doubled down and decided that he was absolutely in the right. I blocked him and the instance and am definitely happy with that choice.

In the linked thread here, the admin even says "This is a super weird and authoritarian philosophy," when someone called out the bans as power tripping 🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄 because e-stalking people and banning them for participating in other communities is absolutely not authoritarian at all

[-] spujb@lemmy.cafe 10 points 5 months ago

I certainly feel there is room for growth and improvement in that individual admin.

[-] Draconic_NEO@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 5 months ago

I saw that one, not a great look for him, almost as if he was posting there simply so the other person couldn't. Probably hoping he could spin it in a way people would see favorably, it did backfire on him though, greatly.

[-] eugenevdebs@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 5 months ago

I don't trust Phillip due to this bullshit but I trust @spujb@lemmy.cafe

[-] spujb@lemmy.cafe 2 points 5 months ago

i'm literally the most correct person on this site <3

[-] eugenevdebs@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 5 months ago
[-] lemonmelon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 14 points 5 months ago

(Y)DI + this is an unmarked [META] post + no admin action was taken against the account + history of behavior + it looks silly to make a wholeass new thread after getting cratered to oblivion in the original one

Phil's "mistake", if we're insisting there is one, was not approaching the account-hopper with "You post a lot, and most of it is questionable trash. Please don't shovel shit from this instance anymore if you want to remain."

[-] spujb@lemmy.cafe 5 points 5 months ago

This is a separate issue entirely. The fact the admin got “ahead of the bullet” by making a PTB post about the reaction to their action doesn’t mean they are magically immune from discussion of the actions that started things, that being slapfights and direct account termination threats.

[-] lemonmelon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 5 months ago

Nobody is suggesting this "magical immunity" you've referenced. This smacks of shitstirring, which has its place, but in this case looks reactionary. My previous assessment stands.

[-] StupidBrotherInLaw@lemmy.world 7 points 5 months ago

Spujb is notorious for shit stirring.

[-] spujb@lemmy.cafe 3 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Calling this an unmarked meta post reads to me as a call for this post to be removed. I apologize if that is not your goal. But if it is you are wrong. I am literally just here to document admin behavior that I believe could be improved upon.

[-] lemonmelon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 5 months ago

It's a meta post, you didn't mark it as such. Nothing more, nothing less. If I thought the post should be removed, I would have reported it for removal. The metatude (It's a word now. I invented it. Probably after someone else already did, but they're not here, are they?) of the post is noteworthy, so I noted it. You could have done already, and still can even now.

[-] spujb@lemmy.cafe 3 points 5 months ago

heard but no. it’s not a meta post as it clearly is about actions that happened before whatever is described in the other post, and outside this community.

you seem confused about what meta means; meta posts are about the community itself.

thank you for your input but if i added the meta tag it would make this post worse, not better.

[-] lemonmelon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 5 months ago

I'm not confused: you made a post about a post, discussing matters brought up in the post, after getting dumpstered by downvotes in the post you subsequently made a post about. If that's not meta, then it better not have kids with meta or we'll end up with the Habsburgs all over again. You seem to have a blind spot with regards to how that comes across, which is fair.

If you intended to simply be informative, you lost the plot by titling your thread as you did. I'd consider that an honest mistake if you hadn't avoided any mention of the other thread and your involvement in it. It's in bad faith, and it's a bad look.

[-] spujb@lemmy.cafe 3 points 5 months ago

two separate topics.

  • admin threatens account deletion (this post)
  • mod bans admin for bringing the discussion directly to the comments instead of engaging in community engagement for change (other post)

tired of this boring conversation. blocked.

[-] lemonmelon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 5 months ago

To anyone who made it this far: "tired of this boring conversation. blocked." in a reply made in the conversation itself almost universally means "I'm tired of you putting a spotlight on my bullshit and I don't know how to handle it."

[-] StupidBrotherInLaw@lemmy.world 8 points 5 months ago

tired of this boring conversation. blocked.

The ol' Spubj "sticking my fingers in my ears and running away". Classic.

[-] spujb@lemmy.cafe 2 points 5 months ago

notice how there still isn’t a meta tag because it would make the post a lie :) that’s because i use the internet to have fun and participate in community, not to let mean users boss me around because they know how to use insults. blocked.

ps i made an actual meta post you should go leave your comments on it.

[-] Draconic_NEO@lemmy.dbzer0.com 13 points 5 months ago

Okay one more instance to add to the list of instances for me to avoid.

[-] remon@ani.social 5 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Wait, that was an actual person and not a bot?

[-] FundMECFSResearch 5 points 5 months ago

Same thoughts here. I told them a lot of times their posts were reposts and they never acknowledged my comments.

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