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I thought I had finally found a healthy drink I liked with no artificial sweetness and they had to go and fuck it up

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[-] Ebby@lemmy.ssba.com 130 points 1 month ago

On the plus side, stevia isn't artificial.

[-] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 27 points 1 month ago

What is "artificial?"

It is all marketing BS

[-] Ebby@lemmy.ssba.com 39 points 1 month ago

Generally, artificial sweeteners are chemically synthesized while natural sweeteners are grown and refined.

I used to grow the stevia plant in my garden.

[-] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 25 points 1 month ago

Does that matter at all?

In reality it is all arbitrary. By that definition table salt is artificial and poison nightshade is natural.

https://geneticliteracyproject.org/2018/05/24/mythbusting-gone-wrong-how-dangerous-organic-pesticide-myth-began/

[-] Ebby@lemmy.ssba.com 43 points 1 month ago

Hey, you asked... I just answered.

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[-] naticus@lemmy.world 14 points 1 month ago

That's precisely why I use it in my coffee and have for many years. However there's a big difference from one brand to another I've found. Sweet Leaf stevia drops are the only kind I'll use now.

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[-] 0oWow@lemmy.world 11 points 1 month ago

Might not be artificial, but it doesn't look natural in sweetener form:

The process of extracting stevia -

Dried stevia leaves are subjected to purified water first. Then followed by a precipitation process with ferric chloride and calcium hydroxide to remove non-soluble plant materials & other impurities and follow filtration.

Then the leaf extract goes through an adsorption resin, which is used to trap the steviol glycosides of the leaf extract.

Afterward, wash the resin with ethanol to release steviol glycosides and decolorize the resulting solution with activated carbon to remove the colors in leaves, and then concentrated by evaporation.

Again, go through the process of decolorization, filtration and spray-drying. The spray-dried product is then combined with similarly processed additional extracts, dissolved in ethanol and/or methanol, crystallized and filtered. Finally, after further processes of crystallization, filtered and spray-dried to obtain pure stevioside.

Taken from here: https://foodadditives.net/natural-sweeteners/stevioside/#easy-footnote-bottom-1-1949

[-] Makhno@lemmy.world 21 points 1 month ago

You don't know how sugar is made, do you?

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[-] daggermoon@lemmy.world 97 points 1 month ago

Stevia isn't artificial lol

[-] Today@lemmy.world 47 points 1 month ago

But it tastes artificial and fucks with lots of tummies.

[-] daggermoon@lemmy.world 35 points 1 month ago

I think anything you're not used to has the potential to fuck with your tummy

[-] digger@lemmy.ca 15 points 1 month ago

I have yet to find a low calorie sweetener that doesn't bother my digestive system. My wife, who lives on diet Pepsi, doesn't believe me.

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[-] isVeryLoud@lemmy.ca 12 points 1 month ago

Yeah Stevia tastes like poison to me, super bitter.

Basically all artificial sweeteners taste like either bitter or nothing at all to me. So I'm really angry when I buy a product I've been buying for years and it suddenly tastes like a Nintendo Switch cartridge.

>:(

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[-] voracitude@lemmy.world 69 points 1 month ago
[-] Showroom7561@lemmy.ca 9 points 1 month ago

Not only that, but unless you can guarantee that a significant portion users will recycle those aluminum cans, they are significantly more energy intensive to manufacture compared to single use plastic bottles.

[-] rigatti@lemmy.world 14 points 1 month ago

Do most people not recycle cans?

[-] Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world 17 points 1 month ago

Here in Cleveland, we used to just put all trash, no recycling, on the lawn. Then in 2008 or so, they put out a recycling innitive. Each resident had to pay $10 per family (so duplexs would buy 2 per house), and they'd get a blue bin. You put the recycling in the blue bin, and a seperate truck picks that up.

Sounds great right?

Welll..........in 2020 or so they found out the 1st truck would take your black bin regular trash, and the 2nd truck would take your blue bin recyclables, and then BOTH trucks would drop off in the same pile, in the same landfill with zero recycling done.

Since that was discovered I see a massive 90%+ dropoff in blue bins. Not only have people lost faith in buying blue bins at all, but most people now use their blue bins as 2nd regular non-recycling trash can.

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[-] socsa@piefed.social 41 points 1 month ago

The unsweetened tea fight is a losing battle. The only way to get it is to make it yourself.

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[-] Epicmulch@lemmy.world 33 points 1 month ago

I thought stevia wasn't an artificial sweetener. It's just a leaf.

[-] Zanz@lemmy.ml 29 points 1 month ago

Stevie leaf extract is a petroleum base sweetener. It was used as an artificial sweetener , but then they found that it could be naturally occurring in small quantities and rebranded. It works like natural flavors where it can still come from petroleum so long as its naturally occurring with some source. I find it extremely bitter and soapy, just like almost every other artificial sweetener.

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[-] Welt@lazysoci.al 23 points 1 month ago

That's the trouble with words like 'artificial' and 'natural'. They mean nothing. It would be better to call them refined additives, because I expect the "stevia" would be in a refined, extracted form when added - whether substantially changed from the form present in the plant or not, this could be considered artificial, if we insist on using this word.

[-] Wispy2891@lemmy.world 16 points 1 month ago

This is what bothers me the most from marketing. Uranium, arsenic and petroleum are 100% natural too

[-] udon@lemmy.world 14 points 1 month ago

Careful, this drink contains chemicals!

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[-] BaroqueInMind@lemmy.one 32 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Stevia is not artificial you silly duck. And it's more sustainable to grow than the fucking sugar you hypocritically enjoy every day. Get over it.

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[-] skuzz@discuss.tchncs.de 30 points 1 month ago

How about drinking water from the tap? Much cheaper, not wasting cans, and healthy. If you live in a community with bad tap water, write a letter to your local water board, and buy a filtration tank you can put in your fridge.

If you must really have flavor, buy some of the powdered dehydrated lime or orange powder packets.

[-] isVeryLoud@lemmy.ca 22 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

I presume you're not from the US.

Many municipalities across the US have poor quality or non drinkable water, and many more do not offer public access to water fountains. Thus, bottled water is a huge market in the US as free facilities are not always available.

I'm Canadian and I legitimately cannot recall the last time I bought bottled or canned water. I bring my two 18.9L jugs to the store to fill them with filtered water for $5 and that's the extent of my "bottled water" consumption. Elsewhere, I carry a metal water bottle I can get refilled anywhere for free.

[-] SLVRDRGN@lemmy.world 13 points 1 month ago

Yes, the US is a mirage of a first-world country.

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[-] 3dmvr@lemm.ee 28 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

I hate this brand, we now pay 6$ for water from a stupid can instead of having water bottles at festivals for 1-2$, the dude who owns it is friends with insomniacs owner, ruined the water supply at every festival. Redbull is typically cheaper than water now at 4$.

No ppl dont think you're drinking alcohol like they claim its for, that has never been a valid reaon to grab it, we all know its water, someone asking you for some water should be the first clue ppl dont think its alcohol.

[-] turmacar@lemmy.world 15 points 1 month ago

Cans are actually recyclable. That's the benefit. The rest is marketing.

Red Bull doesn't give you wings either.

[-] ZeffSyde@lemmy.world 9 points 1 month ago

The reason venues live the cans is that that can't be recapped after opening, so they are harder to refill so you keep buying more instead of reupping in the bathroom.

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[-] originalucifer@moist.catsweat.com 28 points 1 month ago

i have no issue with stevia other than it tastes fucking awful. just a terrible aftertaste that makes me never want to consume it ever, in any configuration.

[-] seven_phone@lemmy.world 28 points 1 month ago

Stevia can only be added in the manufacturing process by a cyclone valve which is actually quite noisy.

[-] AnimalsDream@slrpnk.net 20 points 1 month ago

I'm sorry, you didn't actually think this beverage was healthy to begin with, right? Lol

For starters, agave is one of the highest fructose-containing sweeteners out there. Our bodies can't use fructose directly, so most fructose metabolism occurs in the liver where it's converted to glucose. Overconsumption of it may promote metabolic syndrome even more than glucose.

The only two sweeteners I use are date sugar (whole powderized dates), and rarely molasses. Unsweetened teas might be an acquired taste for some, but after getting used to it, they generally add plenty of sweetness on their own.

[-] sem 18 points 1 month ago

Before this picture I thought Liquid Death was literally water in a can.

Had no idea they added stuff.

[-] MelonYellow@lemmy.ca 9 points 1 month ago

Yeah the slogan goes "Don't be scared. It's just water." So same here, I thought it was just water lol.

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[-] Grabthar@lemmy.world 15 points 1 month ago

Why do all the 0 calorie sweeteners have to taste like a dead hobo's arse?

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[-] Buffalox@lemmy.world 14 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

This label part about plastics is what's called green-washing here, and is illegal unless what they are doing is a very signifikant part of the price of the product.
The labeling of what's NOT in the drink is also under similar regulation, but I don't recall what it's called. But the fact that a "sugar" drink doesn't contain fat is irrelevant and misleading.

Whatever country this is from has bullshit regulation.
The thing that is ABSOLUTELY NOT a problem is the Stevia which is clearly labeled!

So the "mildly infuriating" part is completely misguided compared to the real problems of that product.

Edit:

Just noticed, Carbs 3%, sugar 6% incl. added sugar 12%.
That's impossible! You can't have less carbs than sugar, since sugar is a carb. So these labels are probably illegal in EU on no less than 3 counts!!

[-] ryven@lemmy.dbzer0.com 17 points 1 month ago

It's a US label and the percents are % of recommended daily intake. So that's 3% of your daily recommended carbohydrate intake, 6% of your daily recommended intake of sugar, and 12% of your daily recommended intake of "added" sugar. The recommendation is something like, no more than half of your carbs should come from sugar, and no more than half of those should be added during manufacturing (i.e. most of your sugar intake should be from fresh fruit, etc.). So the numbers do line up.

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[-] ArtemisimetrA@lemmy.duck.cafe 12 points 1 month ago

The only benefit this company offers with their beverages is the non-alcoholic-but-not-NA-beer tall-boy. My recovering alcoholic friend brings these to parties if he knows people will be drinking and just hold one and I've watched him go sober through so many situations where he'd probably have had a drink before. Not that these are the only options for that, though, obviously.

[-] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 11 points 1 month ago
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