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In three weeks, Donald Trump has imploded whatever positive image the United States might have had internationally.

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[-] Reneesme@lemmy.world 25 points 4 days ago

America's wealth is tied up in perceptions. When the rest of the world views America the way I currently view Tesla, we're going to have some very big economic problems. And of course we already have huge security and safety issues as blow back for turning on our allies. It's impossible for me to imagine this isn't all a deliberate attempt to destroy America. And we all know which world leader Trump worships who is very very interested in causing that.

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[-] GiddyGap@lemm.ee 25 points 4 days ago

Trump is creating a lot of enemies. Even turning allies into enemies. The reputation usually mostly recovers when there's a Democrat in the WH, but since American voters walked right back into the same chaos again, eyes wide open, it's going to be a lot harder to recover this time around. There's just very little trust and credibility left.

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[-] pachrist@lemmy.world 34 points 4 days ago

I feel like saying it's normal for empires to fall due to external causes is not accurate? It's usually the exception. Maybe the external factor is the final kick, knocking over a rotting house of cards, but the cause is almost always division, internal conflict, or unsustainable growth. An empire is much more likely to collapse under its own weight than it is to have Alexander the Great kick its teeth in. The Ottoman Empire was called "The Sick Man of Europe" for a reason.

[-] roguetrick@lemmy.world 19 points 4 days ago

It's absolutely not. It's their very internal policies that force them into destroying themselves. They start believing their own propaganda. For both Rome and Constantinople it was wasting huge amounts of it's power on fighting Persia and trying to extend its borders in ways that outran it's logistics capacity. For the Ottomans it was the rise of nationalism and their ham fisted attempts to combat it. For the modern Western imperialists it was the base fact that direct colonial rule was always a monetary drain for the state and only made businesses money. Making these stupid decisions was because each empire had created a web of political commitments and internal propaganda that was unsustainable.

[-] RufusFirefly@lemmy.world 11 points 4 days ago

The Roman Empire took centuries to eventually collapse and a lot of it was corruption, hyperinflation, and complacency. It's happening here but at a much quicker rate.

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[-] Drusas@fedia.io 72 points 5 days ago

The Roman Empire fell because of a series of invasions by “barbarian tribes.”

I cannot take this author seriously after they wrote this. It was, you know, just a little more complicated than that.

[-] Treczoks@lemmy.world 14 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

I don't think the author meant that seriously. You see the quote around "barbarian tribes"? I think he considered this notion sarcastically, as this is "barbarian tribes" is often used by people less knowledgeble abou the topic.

And for the US to implode within a few weeks, there must have been considerable rot inside. I am really not sure where precisely it started, but I consider Bretton Woods (both the system and it's breakdown), Nixon with the final breakdown of honor in politics, Reagan and his "trickle-down economy" lie Reageanomics, and Bush Junior with his Gulf War key milestones in that process. Notice a trend? They were all Republicans. That Trump puts the final nail into the US' coffin is only consequential.

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[-] SLVRDRGN@lemmy.world 23 points 4 days ago

In just over three weeks, Donald Trump has been able to redefine the United States’ position in the world from a global power to an international outcast.

This is exactly what people uttering "Make America Great Again" were asking for when they chose Trump to be the figurehead. None should be surprised.

[-] Bloomcole@lemm.ee 17 points 4 days ago

As a European I'm all for it. Fuck up your own country for once and leave the rest alone. Nobody needs the corrupt self-declared policeman of the world

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[-] Ronno@feddit.nl 42 points 5 days ago

If there was anything the US was good at, it would be marketing. Creating the image that it's the greatest nation on earth, influencing mainstream media to tell their version of the story, keeping up appearances of a strong nation.

The moment these smoke clears and the mirrors break, that is when we see the real US. I think we have Trump to thank to show it to us.

[-] LouNeko@lemmy.world 11 points 4 days ago

Once, the US was actualy very food at funding innovation. The shit that Bell Labs alone discovered are things that shape the world today. But in the nature of US capatialism, if discovery can't turn I to profit, why bother? It's easier to market 2nd or 3rd place as 1st, then to actually be the 1st, especially if the Chinese are constantly breathing down you neck.

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The United States is imploding. The reign of Donald Trump is not only challenging and threatening the very foundations of its constitutional democracy, it is calling into question the U.S.’s post-World War II hegemonic role. Empires or hegemonic powers rise and fall. Often they are defeated by emerging powers. Sometimes their decline takes place over time. But rarely do they self-destruct as spectacularly as the U.S. is doing. The U.S. implosion is dramatic in its intensity and rapidity. In just over three weeks, Donald Trump has been able to redefine the United States’ position in the world from a global power to an international outcast. Despite whatever military and economic power the U.S. still has, its image and global leadership have been undermined by President Trump’s foreign policy decisions.

I just want to take a short, though probably unpopular, note that while you present it as something negative, to some people on the world, that's actually something positive. There are communities all over the world who have suffered tremendously through the US' global hegemony; and these people (me included) are sometimes actually in a very good mood about the news that have been coming the last few weeks.

[-] sdfric88@lemmy.sdf.org 13 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

While I absolutely agree that America has and continues to do abhorrent things overseas (and domestically), I fear that there currently exists no significant world power in position to replace them as #1 that isn't considerably more exploitative, sadistic, and cruel. We're currently in hell and have nowhere to go but down...

[-] lambdabeta@lemmy.ca 14 points 4 days ago

This is always my thought when I hear that kind of response too. "Replace US hegemony" great. With what? China? Russia? India? Iran? Maybe the EU would be better, but I don't see an EU hegemony replacing US hegemony successfully any time soon. I feel like in a lot of ways the US dominated world order is/was a lesser of 2+ evils... We might be about to find out what the greater ones are :/

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[-] Scott_of_the_Arctic@lemmy.world 14 points 4 days ago

Article about how the states is falling apart.

Uses picture of a house no middle class family could reasonably afford.

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[-] ehpolitical@lemmy.ca 39 points 5 days ago

I feel bad for the innocent Americans who are gonna suffer... people who honestly didn't ask for or want any of this.

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[-] FrowingFostek@lemmy.world 35 points 5 days ago

As it should. The rise of fascism shouldn't go unnoticed. The United States is capable of better but, the rot of capital needs to be expelled first.

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[-] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 136 points 6 days ago

“The empire that defined the last century is falling apart at the seams. People notice.”

[-] hansolo@lemm.ee 90 points 6 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

It's not "falling apart." It's being intentionally dismantled.

Rubio's statement at his conformation hearing was basically "the Post WWII order isn't working for us, so we're ending it."

[-] WhatAmLemmy@lemmy.world 46 points 5 days ago

Intentionally dismantled by a fascist theocracy.

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[-] LouNeko@lemmy.world 19 points 4 days ago

The US falling apart would implicate that it was once whole, which it never was. It is just reaping the harsh fruits of half a century of aggressive 2 party campaigning.

[-] chaogomu@lemmy.world 13 points 4 days ago

All due to Ordinal voting. First Past the Post is the simplest Ordinal system, and completely broken if you have more than two candidates.

The only solution is a Cardinal voting system. Cardinal systems can handle two or twenty candidates without issues. Approval or STAR are the best options.

The sad part is, in 1780, First Past the Post was the only system available. It had to be adopted before mathematicians could look at it and say, hey shits broken.

The first was Condorcet. A French Mathematician who noticed the first problem with Plurality in the 1780s. But if you know your history, you'll know that being a French Nobleman in the 1780s was not the healthiest thing to be, regardless of how fucking based you were.

As an aside here, Condorcet was fucking based. He was antislavery, and argued for full suffrage for both women and the slaves that he wanted to free. He argued for universal education for all, and thought it would solve so many problems.

Anyway the next guy who saw the problem with Plurality was another French Mathematician and political scientist named Durverger. He proved that First Past the Post voting will always result in two party dominance. And he proved this in the 1950s. So not much to be done about it.

The next guy to put his name to voting science was Kenneth Arrow, an American who in the 1970s, showed that all Ordinal voting systems were flawed.

But again, the data came in far too late to easily fix things.

So here we are. The saying goes, the best time to plant a tree was 20 year ago, the next best time is now. So call your local representative and ask them to sponsor a switch of voting system to Approval or STAR.

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[-] uraniumcovid@lemm.ee 81 points 5 days ago

say what you want about the brits, but they wouldn’t have voted for brexit twice.

[-] theacharnian@lemmy.ca 88 points 5 days ago

They kept voting for the conservatives for a while after Brexit. They kept voting for Boris fucking Johnson.

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[-] Carl@lemm.ee 23 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

In three weeks, Donald Trump has imploded whatever positive image the United States might have had internationally.

If you were born in the last three weeks it may seem that way, but Joe Biden did the US' reputation abroad no favors, nor did Trump 1. Obama is less bad than those on either side of him, but his admin at best still represents stagnation, as he failed to address Bush's crimes and added to them in places like Libya. And before him was the guy who really got the ball rolling downhill after the high point that was the Clinton administration, Bush Jr.

[-] Obelix@feddit.org 15 points 4 days ago

Just to give you the perspective from Germany: Reagan is viewed as an idiot, everybody forgot about Bush Senior, people kind of loved Clinton, viewed GWB as an idiot and warmonger, Obama is seen as a great guy and Binden was also not viewed negatively by most people. Trump, however, is seen as the dangerous clown that he is.

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[-] kent_eh@lemmy.ca 9 points 4 days ago

Obama is less bad than those on either side of him, but his admin at best still represents stagnation, as he failed to address Bush's crimes

Just a reminder that it's a lot faster, easier and cheaper to break things than it is to build or repair them. A "bull in a China shop" like Trump can do a lot of damage in a few seconds, but it takes years to repair.

Bush had 8 years to cause the damage he caused, it's not reasonable to expect the next administration to fix all that in the same amount of time, no matter how well intentioned and capable that president is.

Same with Trump1-> Biden.

And then you add in obstructionists in congress and senate slowing the process of repair.

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[-] Elkot@lemmy.world 59 points 5 days ago

Rome eventually fell, All Empires do eventually

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[-] SabinStargem@lemmings.world 9 points 4 days ago

We are the dog.

[-] fallowseed@lemmy.world 73 points 6 days ago

good old lefty progressivism reduced to: "look at what trump is doing!"

if you're truly progressive or left, you have as much ire for the democratic party-- if not more.

[-] orbituary@lemmy.dbzer0.com 92 points 6 days ago

You're getting downvoted by the same people who got upset by calling out that Kamala and Biden were not good candidates.

If they were, they would have beat this idiot.

The DNC has no idea, nor does it care, what people really need or want. They don't represent our reality. The only Dems who do are... You guessed it: Progressive.

AOC, Bernie, Ro Khana, Cori Bush, Nina Turner... None of them are supported by the establishment wing of the Democratic Party. All of them have people in mind over reelection.

It's time for a sea change.

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[-] PanArab@lemm.ee 54 points 6 days ago

Not fast enough. Look at what it did to Gaza and realize that it can still do that to anywhere else it wants.

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[-] liquidthex@reddthat.com 7 points 4 days ago

Look the U.S. was kind of past our prime already, and we were settling into a slow decline. President Elon and his lapdog Donald just decided to shake the table so all the dominos fall at once, instead of slowly over time.

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[-] Bloomcole@lemm.ee 8 points 4 days ago

good, let it rot in hell where it belongs

[-] javacafe@lemm.ee 12 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

I don't understand this take. A lot of us didn't ask for this? A lot of us still want a better country to live in and are actively protesting against the fascist government here. Instead of telling us to rot in hell, why don't you help and support us?

Unfortunately for you, whatever happens in the US will also affect the world.

[-] Fashim@lemmy.world 7 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

It's hard not to be happy about this when your country has been subjected to American imperialism, I feel for you and I don't have anything against the American people (except the retards who supported this)

And while it's unlikely at this point, America relinquishing it's power might open a pathway for meaningful change rather than keep us stuck in this perpetual cycle of sucking billionaires off.

Hang in there and if you can, smack a Nazi for old times sake.

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[-] HikingVet@lemmy.ca 9 points 4 days ago

Wow, another brain dead take.

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