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Japan started releasing treated radioactive water from the wrecked Fukushima nuclear power plant into the Pacific Ocean on Thursday, a polarising move that prompted China to announce an immediate blanket ban on all aquatic products from Japan.

China is "highly concerned about the risk of radioactive contamination brought by... Japan's food and agricultural products," the customs bureau said in a statement.

The Japanese government signed off on the plan two years ago and it was given a green light by the U.N. nuclear watchdog last month. The discharge is a key step in decommissioning the Fukushima Daiichi plant after it was destroyed by a tsunami in 2011.

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[-] Vecto@sopuli.xyz 168 points 1 year ago

The water is less radioactive than humans, the ban is purely political and in no way safety related

[-] Aliendelarge@lemmy.world 32 points 1 year ago

A government using "safety" for political reasons? Never seen thst before.

[-] zephyreks@programming.dev 11 points 1 year ago

Fish accumulate toxins and heavy metals as you move up the food chain. This is well-known.

Even though swordfish swim in waters that have perfectly safe mercury concentrations, eating swordfish everyday is inadvisable because of their high mercury contents.

[-] Kangie@lemmy.srcfiles.zip 39 points 1 year ago

That's a great point, however it ignores just one inconvenient fact:

Tritiated water cannot bio-accumulate in the environment

Source: "Current understanding of organically bound tritium (OBT) in the environment" S.B. Kim, N. Baglan, P.A. Davis

[-] zephyreks@programming.dev 2 points 1 year ago
[-] yawn@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

Your own source says they used other filtering systems besides ALPS, which would further mitigate the risk you seem stuck on.

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[-] Cleverdawny@lemm.ee 29 points 1 year ago

Fish don't accumulate tritium. 🙄

[-] zephyreks@programming.dev 5 points 1 year ago
[-] Cleverdawny@lemm.ee 22 points 1 year ago

Read your article. Tritium is the only isotope left.

[-] zephyreks@programming.dev 5 points 1 year ago

But he does think that non-tritium contaminates missed by the ALPS system could build up over time near the shore.

"Nearshore in Japan could be affected in the long term because of accumulation of non-tritium forms of radioactivity," he says. That could ultimately hurt fisheries in the area.

US psyops trying to gaslight people again?

[-] Cleverdawny@lemm.ee 11 points 1 year ago

The radioactive content of the released water is lower than that of seawater. How is it going to build up

[-] zephyreks@programming.dev 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Ah yes, because the only danger of nuclear meltdown industrial wastewater is tritium.

One big concern is that the ALPS system is imperfect: it supposedly removes other radioactive contaminants to within legal limits, but those legal limits ARE higher than that of seawater. The ALPS has also been custom-designed for this project: it is a bespoke system that hasn't been tested in production.

Plus, this is coming from the same private entity that mismanaged the Fukushima plant enough to cause the disaster... How much faith do you have in them to not fuck up again? Tepco's optimizing for their bottom line, not for what's best for society.

[-] Cleverdawny@lemm.ee 7 points 1 year ago

Everything is imperfect. The ocean contains 4.5 billion tons of uranium and that only contributes a small fraction of the natural radioactivity of the ocean. This is not a public health concern and insisting on some stupid demand for perfection when the water you're exhausting is less radioactive than the water you're putting it into is fucking idiocy

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[-] Treczoks@lemmy.world 14 points 1 year ago

I recommend reading the article again. They got anything but the tritium out of the water. Which is comparable easy to accomplish, and also important. The remaining tritium is as harmless as radioactive things can get in the first place.

A radiation scientist here reminded people of those radium-based glow-in-the-dark wrist watches, and compared the radiation caused by this wastewater release to adding about 70 to 80 of those watches to the pacific ocean.

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 120 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Sure. Because Chinese food regulations are notoriously tight and the populace is so protected from contaminated foods.

I'm guessing this has more to do with fishing rights in the South China Sea and this is just convenient for them.

[-] SupraMario@lemmy.world 14 points 1 year ago

Wasn't that virus issue that we just had and continued to have caused from wet markets over there?....or no that was the Japanese who caused it right?

/S if no one got the joke

[-] j7889@lemmy.world 115 points 1 year ago

Well China should ban their own fish, since they release waste tritium themselves. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tritium

[-] lasagna@programming.dev 108 points 1 year ago

China has entire towns that are toxic wastelands. This is just a political statement, probably their usual brainwashing of self.

[-] Treczoks@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

Or just compare the dangers of microplastic, of which China is quite a source. The microplastic will be around long after (most of) the tritium is long gone.

[-] PatFussy@lemm.ee 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Im almost 100% sure you pulled this propoganda out of your ass.

Edit: i concede, there is at least 1 known toxic waste dump area in China that has a lake full of rare earth metals

[-] Jax@sh.itjust.works 37 points 1 year ago

I'm almost 100% sure that if I doubled the effort it took to find this link, I'd have an entire essay on the topic.

https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20150402-the-worst-place-on-earth

Weird, I just saw a thread you were involved in yesterday and thought you were fucking dumb. Guess it was only a matter of time before you proved yourself a tankie or a conservative.

[-] PatFussy@lemm.ee 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

This is kind of an interesting connection if you are bitching about me saying China doesnt own Taiwan given this article that you posted is about an autonomous region of China known as Inner Mongolia. Do you believe autonomous regions like Taiwan or Inner Mongolia are their own or are they Chinese?

Secondly, this article is 100% about rare earth metals being disposed and how our consumption forces them to have these sorts of places. Sure you are right, they have a lake in Baotou that is basically poison and its a biproduct due to Chinese practices in manufacturing. Ill give you that, but keep buying made in China, force your problems to someone else and then blame them for the conditions they have. You are the type to look the other way to slave labor as long as you get the product you want.

[-] Jax@sh.itjust.works 8 points 1 year ago

No, actually I don't buy anything made in China.

Stay mad tankie.

[-] PatFussy@lemm.ee 6 points 1 year ago

The cell phone you are holding had components made in china. About 80% of all battery production comes from China.

Its ok to say you dont know where you are buying the materials of the things you use, just dont forget what your purchasing power is helping to create. Its a toxic lake in northern China.

[-] Jax@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago

Purchased 6 years ago, before I monitored what I buy.

I remembered why I thought you were a fucking moron. You make assumptions and shift goalposts like a section of a rubik's cube.

Nice brigading btw, I'm sure you people will make Lemmy a better place.

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[-] lasagna@programming.dev 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

What I now think of brainwashing and those who fell victims to it is almost completely different than what I did when I was younger.

I don't blame you for thinking this way. Since these aren't your ideas.

[-] zephyreks@programming.dev 3 points 1 year ago

Do those towns produce food?

[-] ryathal@sh.itjust.works 57 points 1 year ago

Does that mean China will stop fishing in those waters too?

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[-] Treczoks@lemmy.world 32 points 1 year ago

Let them worry about minute amounts of tritium in the ocean - it is political hubhub, nothing more. The tritium is less pollution and will vanish faster than microplastics in the seas.

[-] Sodis@feddit.de 27 points 1 year ago

China release more tritium in the sea than what is planned at Fukushima, so yeah...

[-] Treczoks@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago

And they release way more plastics in the sea, which is way more critical than the tritium.

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