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[-] Draegur@lemm.ee 67 points 6 days ago

You know sometimes I actually straight up FORGET that Steam is run by the same company that created Half-Life?

They:

  1. identified a gradient of human wants
    (Video games exist; I want them on my computer)
  2. Created a vector for that want to be satisfied
    (Digital distribution that conveys the games I want to my computer)
  3. Stayed the FUCK OUT OF THE WAY

When you do something well, people don't notice you've done anything at all.

[-] HawlSera@lemm.ee 16 points 6 days ago

They simply did what everyone else refused to do, get out of their own way.

[-] kattfisk@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 4 days ago

I think the key was that Steam wasn't created to make money, but to solve problems they themselves had, like "How do we get new versions of Counter Strike out to all these players?"

Then as Valve wasn't the only company having these problems, the solution could easily be sold to others.

If the other companies really wanted to crack Steam's near-monopoly, the solution would be to tackle the problems associated with not having all your games on Steam. Work together on a open-source launcher supporting all stores, similar to GOG Galaxy. First make something useful that tackles an unsolved problem, then you can make money off it when it becomes successful.

Instead they go in just trying to make a buck, and end up just being worse versions of Steam.

That ended up being a bit of a rant, but I'm frustrated at their shortsighted market strategies :p

[-] Draegur@lemm.ee 1 points 4 days ago

Oh indeed! And that's why I love GOG! I actually try to check GOG first just in case I can buy a game I want there before I go through with buying it on steam. I would actually gladly pay MORE for the GOG version because it removes bullshit like DRM!

[-] kattfisk@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 3 days ago

I used to do the same, but I lost a lot of confidence in GOG after they retroactively restricted their cloud saves to 200 MB.

My hundred-hour Witcher 3 save is exactly the kind of thing I want backed up, but that's no longer possible. And the very low limit they set, and the urgency with which they started deleting the very data they were expected to keep safe, reeks of a desperation to save money that makes me hesitant to invest more in their ecosystem.

I really want them to succeed though, and I think they have the right idea with Galaxy. Even Epic giving me games for free doesn't make me actually use their client or store.

But somehow the obvious idea of forming a consortium to develop open standards and implementations for game clients, doesn't seem like something that will ever happen.

[-] wizzim@infosec.pub 43 points 6 days ago

I have a mixed feeling about Gabe and Valve.

While I am insanely grateful for proton (even if it was strategically important for them, they didn't do it out of kindness of heart), some other stuff disturb me:

  • Valve being so lenient on CS2 skin gambling, hurting the young people
  • A steam account being un-inheritable, making you defacto a tenant of your games
  • The 30% percent cut, stealing money from devs
  • Gabe spending his money on multiple mega yachts, like every asshole billionaire, instead of making the world a better place
  • Gabe claiming to be a libertarian, like Elon and other pieces of shit
[-] rtxn@lemmy.world 52 points 6 days ago
  • The 30% percent cut, stealing money from devs

Sigh. Here we go again. I'll just copy one of my older comments about that attitude.


Steam is not a parasitic middle man, it is a collection of services that would have to be provisioned and operated by the developer otherwise. The 30% cut pays for:

  • A massive infrastructure to store and deliver the game and its updates, worldwide, and at an acceptable bandwidth that Valve operates
  • A storefront that enables monetizing the game
  • The audience and discoverability that would not exist otherwise
  • The Steam API, achievements, cloud saves
  • The client itself, content management, validation, and Linux compatibility tools
  • Network and operational security
  • Also keep in mind that Steam and its services are operated by experts. A game developer would have to hire the experts or get training.

If the revenue from the cut exceeds the operational costs: it's called profitability, not theft. The world doesn't run on good vibes.

[-] wizzim@infosec.pub 5 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

Yeah you're of course right, they are not a charity and shouldn't have to provide their service for free.

I expressed myself too quickly (the rage!). What I meant is the this cut of 30% is fucking predatory, mafia or middle-age money lender style. You get one third of the rewards of my efforts just for delivering my product? And don't talk about promotion because this store is now stuffed with too many games for visibility.

You can argue "but this is it the standard rate of the industry". Well it is predatory everywhere else and I hate Google and Apple as much for it.

A cut of 10% would be more humane. Or whatever to reach a "normal" profitability. But now the discussion becomes complex because we don't have the concrete numbers.

What is sure, is that it is possible without pain to take way less than 30%. This is something EGS got right, even if I dislike them for many other things (Epic and Tim Sweeney).

[-] rtxn@lemmy.world 7 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

predatory, mafia or middle-age money lender style.

Your words have lots of sentiments, but present no facts. I know that Wolfire and Sweeney are independently throwing a tantrum, and we all hate taxes, but I don't see public exposés showing game developers who went hungry because they couldn't afford the 70-30 split.

I'll also remind you that the EGS (12%) is barely profitable, and operated for years at a loss, only sustained by Fortnite (which used dark patterns to extract money from kids, in case you want to see something actually predatory).

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[-] WhyJiffie@sh.itjust.works 5 points 6 days ago

You get one third of the rewards of my efforts just for delivering my product

you have not read the comment you responded to.

[-] derbolle@lemmy.world 3 points 6 days ago

and forgot or ignored that it often is not the dev who gets most of the money at all but publishers like ea and ubisoft. why should customers act in defense of those companies who actively try and make gaming worse for everyone?

an indie dev paying 30% is expensive but steam is really a premium platform for distributing games. it would be nice if it were cheaper but I don‘t really understand the outrage here

[-] rocket_dragon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 19 points 6 days ago

The 30% percent cut, stealing money from devs

This is a pretty spicy take. Let's consider two possibilities:

  1. Game devs choose to distribute independently, and sell their game for $20. They sell 100,000 copies and make $2 million in revenue, and keep the entire $2 million.

  2. Game devs choose to distribute via Steam, promote it with a 50% off sale, it goes to the Steam front page, sells 500,000 copies at only $10 each, for a total $5 million in revenue. Steam takes $1.5 million and the devs take $3.5 million.

In scenario 2 the devs make 75% more than in scenario 1. Did Valve steal from the game devs?

[-] Sylvartas@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

I love Valve for a lot of things but I'll never forget that they spearheaded some of the most predatory microtransactions in the industry (loot boxes and battle passes) and were happy to help Bethesda try to sell mods until players raised a huge stink.

[-] BuboScandiacus@mander.xyz 9 points 6 days ago

A steam account being un-inheritable, making you defacto a tenant of your games

Can’t you just give your kids your steam password ? How would they notice ?

[-] wizzim@infosec.pub 5 points 6 days ago

Yes you can workaround it. But this is still a society right they forbid you. And who can say that in 2100 they won't implement a cleanup job that lock all accounts that are over 100 years old ? 🤪

I'm not sure about that either - unless you really want your real name on a Steam account, you just change the password and the payment method and you should be fine, right?

[-] derpgon@programming.dev 5 points 6 days ago

You can't change the login username. That's about it. You can change the profile link, profile name, avatar and other cosmetics, and edit payment methods.

[-] im_a_GDeveloper@lemm.ee 9 points 6 days ago

I didn’t knew about he claiming to be a libertarian. Rothbard must be turning over in his grave.

Here's the thing - Theoretically we shouldn't give a shit about his political leanings and we don't have to, because he and his company deliver a good service. I can privately think he's another asshole libertarian tech bro whose only guiding principle is "everyone should be able to do what I want, but only some people should have the money to do those things", but it doesn't change anything about Steam or Half-Life 3.

[-] wizzim@infosec.pub 3 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

But this is a problem right ?

Because the libertarian view of the world DOES have an impact on Steam: they have so much inertia to fight against hate speech and extreme right, they do nothing against gambling, and so on. All under the pretense "free speech" which is so convenient.

IMO this is the view of the modern libertarian: all the money, none of the accountability.

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[-] rabber@lemmy.ca 5 points 6 days ago

Not to mention his insane Porsche collection, yeah he's just another billionaire

Valve ruined my favourite game (dota) by flooding the game with ridiculous cosmetics that even change particle effects with no way to disable any of this

[-] FauxLiving@lemmy.world 1 points 5 days ago

There's nothing wrong with having money or expensive hobbies. It's not like he's collecting Senators or buying himself a seat in the Oval Office

[-] HawlSera@lemm.ee 3 points 6 days ago

A steam account being un-inheritable, making you defacto a tenant of your games

This is unenforceable under US Law

[-] wizzim@infosec.pub 3 points 6 days ago
[-] AppleTea@lemmy.zip 2 points 6 days ago

don't you guys have better consumer protections?

[-] wizzim@infosec.pub 5 points 6 days ago

Maybe, maybe not.

Frankly I don't even know if this clause can be enforced in Europa. I wanted to point out that we shouldn't rely on the customer protection laws of each country to address that: this clause shouldn't exist in the first place.

But to be frank, it most likely doesn't come from Valve and rather from the games company themselves.

[-] Snowclone@lemmy.world 17 points 6 days ago

His plan isn't based off trying to squeeze blood from stones, it's to sell some video games. Not a very capitalist mindset, but there you have it.

[-] kilgore_trout@feddit.it 2 points 5 days ago

Valve takes 30% from every sale on Steam, which is quite landlord-like. Although there are much worse practices in the market.

[-] Zron@lemmy.world 3 points 4 days ago

Oh no, a sales platform that takes a cut of revenue.

Valve isn’t a charity, and they provide very good services for what developers pay.

Devs don’t need to host download servers, they don’t need to staff customer service reps, they don’t have to set up banking infrastructure or worry at all about handling payments from hundreds of different banks across hundreds of countries.

It’s not like valve takes 30% and sits on it. They put that money to use.

[-] kilgore_trout@feddit.it 1 points 4 days ago

I am not against it.

[-] SaltyIceteaMaker@lemmy.ml 4 points 5 days ago

you gotta take into account the insanely good service both devs and players get in exchange for those 30% here is a list

[-] bisby@lemmy.world 2 points 5 days ago

EGS finally has a shopping cart now, so it's basically equal now, right?

[-] SaltyIceteaMaker@lemmy.ml 2 points 5 days ago

now it just needs to stop sucking

[-] Justas@sh.itjust.works 8 points 5 days ago

"If you have the patience to sit by the river and wait, eventually, the corpses of your enemies will float by." Sun Tzu

[-] KrapKake@lemmy.world 7 points 5 days ago

The "do nothing and win" strategy.

[-] Anegro_Montoya@sh.itjust.works 6 points 6 days ago

<is billionaire <owns yatchs and subs People still wiping his ass with their noses?

[-] _stranger_@lemmy.world 19 points 6 days ago

He hasn't enshittified anything yet, and it's looking like he might not ever, which is why people respect him.

There's valid criticisms, yes, but that meme is dead accurate. I don't want to imagine what gaming would look like today if someone like EA the same vast influence over the industry instead of Valve.

[-] nomy@lemmy.zip 7 points 6 days ago

Imagine if GabeN created some sort of co-op and left Steam to an employee-run board when he died.

[-] DukeHawthorne@lemmy.world 6 points 6 days ago

That's what I was going to say. Sure, Gabe might not be that bad, but what happens to Valve and Steam when he's gone? Are we just hoping the next guy also isn't evil?

[-] nomy@lemmy.zip 6 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

I was pretty pro-Gabe until I saw some video detailing loot crates and how they targeted kids. There really is no such as thing an ethical billionaire.

edit: pretty sure it was this Coffeezilla one

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[-] glitchdx@lemmy.world 8 points 6 days ago

As far as billionaires go, he's the least shit of the bunch. No idea what his personal life is like, and I don't want to know. Every billionaire that makes their personal life public so far has turned out to be a giant cunt.

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[-] mavu@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 5 days ago

It's called making a product/service for their customers instead of for the shareholders bank balance.

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