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[-] nullroot@lemmy.world 3 points 6 days ago

I just use Windows 10 v1809 ltsc, I'm good for a few more years.

[-] Lwaxana@startrek.website 1 points 6 days ago

im one of them 😬

[-] Kraiden@kbin.earth 163 points 1 week ago

Gonna repeat something I said a little while ago.

If you're planning to try Linux but have no experience with it, the best piece of advice I was given is this. Learn how the filesystem is structured. It will make everything else you try to do easier.

You're also going to get a ton of conflicting advice on which distro to use. Pop OS or Mint are my suggestions. !linux_gaming@lemmy.world is a good resource to know about too

[-] jaggedrobotpubes@lemmy.world 37 points 1 week ago

Thanks for this. I loathe the idea of being stuck on a platform that's hard to use and swarmed by too many angry idiots who only ever say that linux is perfect and everybody who doesn't think so is too dumb to read. Everything that makes linux approachable is a big win.

Gotta ditch Microsoft though. Ugh. Changing an OS is such a massive pain, regardless of how much of a requirement Microsoft Recall makes it.

Anyway, more stuff like this, everybody! Thank you again.

[-] Kraiden@kbin.earth 17 points 1 week ago

I'd be lying if I said I didn't do a little of that in my younger years, but I've calmed down a lot. These days I generally advise caution when someone tells me they want to switch to Linux.

I personally don't actually think any one variant of Linux is that much harder to use than Windows or Mac. I think the difficulty comes from two things:

One, I think people forget how much learning is involved in those OS's as well. If you've ever tried to teach an elderly grandparent how to use "the computer" then you know first hand how much of this specialised knowledge you can take for granted. Simple things like knowing where to look to change mouse sensitivity as an example, are really challenging to any new user of any OS.

Two, there isn't just one variant of Linux. It's biggest strength is also it's greatest weakness here. It's amazing that you have so many choices for your desktop environment, but that comes with the major drawback of users needing to understand what a desktop environment is, and why Googling "how to change mouse sensitivity in Linux" is probably not going to return anything useful. You have so much choice in Linux for every little thing. Down to a level of granularity that most Windows or Mac users wouldn't even realise they're not getting a choice in. Alsa vs pulseaudio, xorg vs wayland, not to mention the plethora of package managers. Hell even drivers for your video card: proprietary vs open source. And yes, some of those examples boil down to the old way vs the new way, but ALL of this is added complexity, which results in a steeper learning curve for a new user.

So yeah, Linux is hard to use. The learning curve is a cliff, and anyone who thinks it's perfect is kidding themselves! ESPECIALLY for the user who just wants to play a few games, and maybe do some browsing. We'll never get the year of the Linux desktop with this mentality!

I do also try to warn new users about this. It is a whole new ballgame, and it will take some effort to get up to the same level of comfort you have in Windows. It really is best to not just jump in to the deep end, and fully wipe your system on day 1.

Start with a VM, then dual boot, and once you've stopped booting into WIndows in frustration, then you're ready to commit.

One thing I promise though, it is 100% worth the effort

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[-] BlackArtist@lemmy.world 15 points 1 week ago

I'll second PopOs, I was sick & tired of windows, I'd wanted Linux for a while and tried a few, PopOs just clicked for me and I've not had one problem gaming (which is what I mainly do). 20 min install time and not one problem since, which is about 14 months.

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[-] Honytawk@lemmy.zip 104 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

I like the optimism of Linux users thinking there will be a massive flood towards their favourite Linux distro.

When the obvious path the majority of gamers will take is just ... not upgrade anything and stay on an unsecure OS until their next major PC upgrade.

Most users don't care about security as long as it allows them to do with their computer what they want.

If Microsoft didn't push people to a new version, you know too many would still be rocking Windows 8.

[-] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 21 points 1 week ago

Windows had to force updates because so many people just didn’t update

Anyone that is on 10 still isn’t going to go to Linux

[-] Zero22xx 11 points 1 week ago

I dual boot and still use Windows 10. And everything I've seen from Windows 11 just seems like trash to me. My mother got a new laptop about a year ago and I came along to help her set it up. With her previous laptop, I opted to not do the free update to Windows 10 because people were complaining about it at the time (and I was still on Windows 7), so she ended up stuck with Windows 8.1 for years. So this time I did opt for the free update to Windows 11 and it feels like a huge mistake so far.

Her machine is now slow and struggles to get things up and running. And every single fucking time she tries to use it, it decides to run virus scans and download and install updates all at the same time. And these updates often seem to take an entire day. The last update took two days where she could barely do anything on her laptop because it was slowing things up so much.

And that all makes the frustration add up when you come across the other fucking stupid things they've done. So now when you right click on the desktop there's a few seconds where Windows needs to get its shit together to show you the new useless menu that's been slapped on top of the old useful menu. Then you need to click 'show more options' for the actual useful menu. Then another few seconds for Windows to get its shit together to load that menu.

And I don't want to load a bunch of stuff like classic shell or winaero tweaker because she's old and just wants to play hidden object games and solitaire. So I'm going to have to come running every time something happens that she doesn't understand. So I prefer leaving it vanilla.

But fuck Windows 11. It's absolute fucking garbage based on my experience so far. I was going to hold out for the inevitable Windows 12 because Microsoft seem to love using their paying customers as beta testers with every second OS they release but now I'm not so sure. Hoping there will be some sort of hack to keep enterprise updates coming or something.

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[-] dukatos@lemm.ee 11 points 1 week ago

If Microsoft didn't push people to a new version, you know too many would still be rocking Windows 8.

You mean Windows 7

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[-] thezeesystem 76 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Thing is, there's people out there on windows 10 on a computer without the magic special chip windows 11 demands.

Lots of those people can't update and lots don't know about Linux or understand how to even use a USB drive to install it.

Yes it's easy for us semi tech people, but remember not everyone is into tech or understand how computers works.

People NEED computers to do stuff like applying for jobs, or searching online, or video games with friends.

Those people who don't have a tpm chip and can't upgrade will just not and continue using a insecure windows 10 because they don't know or understand what it is.

Remember Lemmy, just because you understand tech, doesn't mean everyone knows about it, or can grasp the concepts.

[-] dukeofdummies@lemmy.world 20 points 1 week ago

Like seriously, if there was ever a time to do a concerted push for linux, it's now. Start the campaigns, start the tutorials start the memes and the warnings and get the process down to under an hour. It won't be a weird thing, it will be the lord and savior allowing your PC to continue even when windows says it can't.

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[-] supersquirrel@sopuli.xyz 56 points 1 week ago

fuck Windows, I am done with M$

[-] Asafum@feddit.nl 48 points 1 week ago

The only reason I'm still on windows 10 is because I'm dreading the weekend of head banging against table I'm going to have when I do the switch to Linux before October... Not looking forward to getting it all set up and working

[-] ArcticFox@lemmy.ca 2 points 6 days ago

Make a dual boot system. You can continue to use win10 while getting comfortable with linux. If something breaks just reboot.

[-] BaroqueInMind@lemmy.one 29 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Once you get it all setup and proud of your work, make a fucking backup image, because a single update that changes an obscure library in some forgettable package that was part of your install will break everything and you will be pulling your hair out kludging a CLI script to unfuck some other binary that was unimportant, but now has affected another thing that was crucial for a graphics card or network adapter to function.

[-] derbolle@lemmy.world 23 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

i dont know what you are using but the general linux experience hasn't been like this in years. and even if there is a problem now and then a bit of googling generally is all it needs. the one thing you cannot get around is malware like kernel level anticheats. that's windows only.

having a backup is good advice no matter what system you use

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[-] Asafum@feddit.nl 16 points 1 week ago

This is why I really don't want to have to use Linux, but Microsuck just can't stop with the fucking greed and I'm absofucukinglutly not running anything with recall... :(

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[-] original_reader@lemm.ee 13 points 1 week ago

Steam runs pretty smooth on Linux. Am currently using OpenSuse. Steam runs smooth. Games run smooth with one or two exceptions. For those exceptions I have a dual boot Windows 10 that doesn't need Windows Update for anything I ask it to do.

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[-] shittydwarf@lemmy.dbzer0.com 36 points 1 week ago
[-] SplashJackson@lemmy.ca 36 points 1 week ago

Maybe because Windows 11 sucks

[-] lightnsfw@reddthat.com 35 points 1 week ago

Yeah well Windows 11 fucking sucks. What do they expect? Maybe if you have to do all kinds of shady shit to get people to accept the newest version of your shitty product you should take a good look at yourself and evaluate why that is.

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[-] drthunder@midwest.social 27 points 1 week ago

MS can pry Windows 10 out of my cold, dead hands. I'll switch to Linux before Win11 and I don't particularly want to do that either.

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[-] LNRDrone@sopuli.xyz 27 points 1 week ago

M$ ended win7 support in January 14, 2020. Steam did not end win7 support until January 1 2024. M$ ending support for their OS does not mean Steam will do so anytime soon. Considering how small number of their users has updated, there's a good chance Steam will keep supporting win10 for many more years. By that time I know I will no longer be using Windows.

[-] ZeDoTelhado@lemmy.world 17 points 1 week ago

You are not wrong here. However, this is a double edged sword. By running windows 10 after a good while (let's say, after 1 year of eol) you are risking for malware that is going to be non patched on windows 10. Of course, if you use the PC mostly for gaming and get stuff mostly from the usual places, I really doubt you get anything. If you work with documents however with macros and stuff, or you might have questionable internet hygiene or foreign external devices like usb on a frequent basis, do not get close to an out of date system

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[-] Vespair@lemm.ee 22 points 1 week ago

Every single edition of Windows introduces new forms of bloat and new ways for MS to overreach and attempt to play corporate nanny over a user's system; why the fuck would anyone willingly upgrade Windows when they have the chance not to?

[-] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 19 points 1 week ago

IF steam OS is ready for wide release by then, you'll see massive adoption.

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[-] shneancy@lemmy.world 18 points 1 week ago

i'll upgrade to some baby Linux distro once the end of life hits, i am lazy

(i'd also need to set up a dual boot as i'm cursed to need Adobe apps and those are famously allergic to Linux)

[-] 4am@lemm.ee 23 points 1 week ago

Don’t do dual boot. Windows will purposefully fuck up your MBR so Linux disappears every update and it’s a bitch to fix.

Run that shit in a VM. It’s 2025 you will get good performance.

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[-] anon@lemmus.org 17 points 1 week ago

I'm not going to Windows 11 or Linux. I found a copy of Windows 10 LTSC with support til 2027+.

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[-] Loce@lemmy.world 14 points 1 week ago

Win 11 is downgrade to Win 10, and I expect Win 12 to be a downgrade to Win 11. I still didnt decide whether Mint or Kubuntu will be the next OS on my pc. I'm pretty sure Windows 12 has no chance.

[-] PanArab@lemm.ee 4 points 6 days ago

I like the UI of 11 but not the extra spyware

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[-] swordgeek@lemmy.ca 13 points 1 week ago

I've been meaning to get a Linux VM spun up for testing games. I gather that I'll have some issues (i.e. blockers) with multi-player games and cheat-prevention, but I'd just as soon play single player games anyway.

I've been a Linux/Unix admin for 25+ years so I've no excuse other than convenience. But I'm done.

[-] Kraiden@kbin.earth 16 points 1 week ago

I'm sure you know this already, but for anyone who doesn't: If you want to know if a specific game will work under Linux, Proton DB is your friend!

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[-] otto@sh.itjust.works 12 points 1 week ago

This may precipitate a massive shift to Linux, especially for gamers.

I run it on the servers I administrate and recommend it to everyone, but I can’t switch until the get Adobe support. I NEED to use Adobe apps for work. At least macOS is UNIX and far better than Winblows.

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[-] AI_toothbrush@lemmy.zip 11 points 1 week ago

Let me introduce you to our lord and saviour, tux

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