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I have problems with people who abstained. The hard thing is, how do you change voter behavior?

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[-] Lux 80 points 3 days ago

How do you change voter behavior?

You don't. If you want someone to vote for you, you need to provide something that they want. The point of democracy is not to change the people to fit what the rulers want, it's to change the rules to what the people want. If you can't do that, the people don't want you.

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[-] untorquer@lemmy.world 27 points 3 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

The genocide(and poor national level performance) was the last straw for many people who have been lifelong democrat voters. After 30+ years of seeing dems bring ferocity and strategy and boldness to primaries only to sit in office, renege and fail on many of those promises even in times when they have a ~~supermajority~~ majority. Then to see only a few dems actually screaming on the floors of congress. As well biden refusing to use the bully pulpit.

I don't believe any of them wanted this outcome. I do believe they felt their vote was only going to promote a regime that would continue the trend of genocide and protecting wall street over the needs of desparate citizens. Billions to kill and profit then pennies to the people.

I believe the fault lies entirely on the DNC and not the voters who saw no benefit in promoting the party over the other.

It's wrong, a dem in power is worlds better, but i understand seeing it as pointless in the moment. There is no good answer, only a less wrong one...

To answer the question, pass useful legislation and don't promote genocide. Legislation like universal healthcare, constitutional abortion(and other women's healthcare), raising minimum wage, universal pre-k, Union support, decriminalize drugs(esp. Weed), and to reverse inflation to name only just a tiny few..

TLDR: 30yrs of "lesser of two evils" kills voter motivation. Blame the party not the people.

Edit: technically not a supermajority...

[-] Ghosthacked@lemm.ee 18 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

This was NOT the time to do this. This election was about the end of fucking democracy in the face of fascism and these abstainers wanted to pull teenage shit and fucking ended the country as we know it.

Now Gaza is getting wiped out because these abstainers couldn't abstract what a p2025 theocracy was going to do?

People were screaming about this for months. THIS election was an existential fight right now at home, and they chose to pull idealist teenage shit.

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[-] Modern_medicine_isnt@lemmy.world 38 points 3 days ago

I will never look down on someone who voted or refused to vote because of thier conscience. Obviously for this specific question, that excludes people claiming to care about gaza, but still voting for trump. There was no illusion that trump was going to do anything positive for gaza.

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[-] dohpaz42@lemmy.world 85 points 3 days ago

I have a (conspiracy) theory that those “genocide Joe” and “killer Kamala” folk are astroturfing for MAGA.

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[-] WoodScientist@sh.itjust.works 52 points 3 days ago

Honestly, the election was three months ago, and we have bigger fish to fry right now. My default assumption now is that anyone still trying to relitigate the Gaza voters is a Russian troll trying to sew division among the left.

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[-] Buddahriffic@lemmy.world 11 points 2 days ago

From my perspective, as someone who didn't have a vote in US politics and wanted you guys to vote to kick the can down the road until next time, but also understood the sentiment of those who didn't bother, it wasn't a belief that Trump would do any better so much as a loss in faith that the Democrats were who they claimed to be.

When hope dies, it might be replaced by despair, anger, and desperation, or it might be replaced by apathy.

And while that was going on, there was also propaganda going on where people were trying to push the idea that Trump would be any better. I don't believe that there were a significant number of voters who voted for Trump or stayed home because they believed that to be true.

Right now, it looks like the main conflicts about this I'm seeing on this platform are those with hope trying to rally the troops, while those with anger are mainly upset at those with apathy.

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We can now say that anyone who could and didn't vote for Harris in magastan is a genocide enabler.

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