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Each of these reads like an extremely horny and angry man yelling their basest desires at Pornhub’s search function.

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[-] p03locke@lemmy.dbzer0.com 309 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

There is so much wrong with just the title of this article:

  1. What marketplace? CivitAI is free. Unstable Diffusion Discord is free. Stable Diffusion is free. All of the models and LoRAs are free to download. The only cost is a video card (even a basic one) and some time to figure this shit out.
  2. "Everyone is for sale". No, that's current fucking situation, where human trafficking runs rampant throughout the sex and porn industry. AI porn is conflict-free. You don't need to force an underaged, kidnapped teenager to perform a sex act in front of a camera to create AI porn.
  3. "For Sale". Again, where's the sale? This shit is free.

A 404 Media investigation shows that recent developments

Get the fuck outta here! This two bit blog want to call itself "a 404 Media investigation"? Maybe don't tackle subjects you have no knowledge or expertise in.

The Product

Repeat: FOR FREE! No product!

In one user’s feed, I saw eight images of the cartoon character from the children's’ show Ben 10, Gwen Tennyson, in a revealing maid’s uniform. Then, nine images of her making the “ahegao” face in front of an erect penis. Then more than a dozen images of her in bed, in pajamas, with very large breasts. Earlier the same day, that user generated dozens of innocuous images of various female celebrities in the style of red carpet or fashion magazine photos. Scrolling down further, I can see the user fixate on specific celebrities and fictional characters, Disney princesses, anime characters, and actresses, each rotated through a series of images posing them in lingerie, schoolgirl uniforms, and hardcore pornography.

Have you seen Danbooru? Or F95 Zone? This shit is out there, everywhere. Rule 34 has existed for decades. So has the literal site called "Rule 34". You remember that whole Tifa porn video that showed up in an Italian court room? Somebody had to animate that. 3D porn artists takes its donations from Patreon. Are you going to go after Patreon, too?

These dumbasses are describing things like they've been living in a rock for the past 25 years, watching cable TV with no Internet access, just NOW discovered AI porn as their first vice, and decided to write an article about it to get rid of the undeserved guilt of what they found.

What a shitty, pathetic attempt at creating some sort of moral panic.

[-] jeremyparker@programming.dev 32 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

The danbooru aspect of the "AI" moral panic is what annoys me.

So many of my friends - many of whom are amateur artists - hate computer generated images because the copyright of the artists were violated, and they weren't even asked. And I agree that does kinda suck - but - how did that happen?

Danbooru.

The art had already been "stolen" and was available online for free. Where was their morality then? For the last decade or whatever that danbooru has been up? Danbooru is who violated the copyright, not stable diffusion or whatever.

At least computer generated imagery is different, like, the stuff it was trained on was exactly their art, while this stuff, while might look like theirs, is unique. (And often with a unique number of fingers.)

And, if "copyright" is their real concern, them surely they understand that copyright only protects against someone making a profit of their work, right? Surely they'll have looked into it and they already know that "art" made by models that used copyrighted content for training are provided from being copyrighted themselves, right? And that you can only buy/sell content made from models that are in the copyright clear, surely they know all this?

No, of course not. They don't give a shit about copyright, they just got the ickies from new tech.

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[-] Schneemensch@programming.dev 28 points 1 year ago

Just because something is free it does not mean that there is no marketplace or product. Sozial Media is generally free, but I would still call Facebook, Tiktok or Instagram a product.

Nowadays a lot of industries start out completely free, but move into paid subscription models later.

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[-] drfuzzyness@lemmy.world 17 points 1 year ago

I'm guessing that the "marketplace" and "sale" refers to sites like "Mage Space" which charge money per image generated or offer subscriptions. The article mentions that the model trainers also received a percentage of earnings off of the paid renderings using their models.

Obviously you could run these models on your own, but my guess is that the crux of the article is about monetizing the work, rather than just training your own models and sharing the checkpoints.

The article is somewhat interesting as it covers the topic from an outsider's perspective more geared towards how monetization infests open sharing, but yeah the headline is kinda clickbait.

[-] p03locke@lemmy.dbzer0.com 18 points 1 year ago

“Mage Space” which charge money per image generated

Well, instead of bitching about the AI porn aspect, perhaps they should spend more time talking about how much of a scam it is to charge for AI-generated images.

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[-] tux0r@feddit.de 17 points 1 year ago

Repeat: FOR FREE! No product!

If it's free, chances are you're the product. I assume that there is a market for user-generated "prompts" somewhere.

[-] p03locke@lemmy.dbzer0.com 107 points 1 year ago

No, that's not how open-source or open-source philosophies work. They share their work because they were able to download other people's work, and sometimes people improve upon their own work.

These aren't corporations. You don't need to immediately jump to capitalistic conclusions. Just jump on Unstable Diffusion Discord or CivitAI yourself. It's all free.

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[-] Ertebolle@kbin.social 170 points 1 year ago

Honestly, if the combination of AI porn + good AR + haptic fleshlights gets us to a point where horny single men with limited real-world romantic prospects can have fulfilling sex lives without having to bug any actual living women to attain them, I think the world will be a better place.

[-] disposabletentacle@kbin.social 87 points 1 year ago

Yeah, but with the caveat that this will only make the world a better place if society chose to implicitly allow this, and actively chose not to disparage, mock, and exclude those people who want to go this path. Which, based on everything we've ever seen about society, is not going to happen.

[-] Ertebolle@kbin.social 28 points 1 year ago

True, but people already do 80% of that - I don't think the stigma attached to "AI-generated porn that talks to you and responds to your requests" is likely to be meaningfully greater than the stigma attached to regular porn, or to an OnlyFans where you're doing the same thing with an actual woman but clamoring for her attention with a bunch of other guys.

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[-] Steeve@lemmy.ca 18 points 1 year ago

Uh, based on the realistic fuck robots that are hitting the market I don't think you have to worry about society telling you that you can't have VR sex with a giant hentai squid with massive tits. Just maybe don't do it in your parents living room this time.

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[-] ChaoticEntropy@feddit.uk 52 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Because what the world needs now is an even more disengaged, disinterested, and misanthropic portion of the population.

[-] warmaster@lemmy.world 20 points 1 year ago

Why learn to fuck people when you can just buy The Wanker 9000™?

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[-] Stanwich@lemmy.world 44 points 1 year ago

Except instead they will treat ai girls as filthy as they want and then expect all women to act like that. Then not understand why they don't........ yeah pretty sure that's what's going to happen.

[-] ThirdWorldOrder@lemm.ee 35 points 1 year ago

Just like video games taught me to shoot everything

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[-] afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world 28 points 1 year ago

Makes sense. I grew up playing videogames where I would shot stuff that was in my way. That is why in real life I use a gun to get thru traffic. I also played a game for a while where I rode on the back of a lizard and ate mushrooms to grow larger. Which is pretty much my typical weekday.

For you see I have not hit the level of mental development of most 3 year olds and can not separate our playtime from the real world. Just like the hypothetical people in your example.

Now if you excuse me I plan to make bricks vanish by arranging them in a straight line wall-to-wall in my house.

[-] Nepenthe@kbin.social 22 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Without question. The ability to have sex with something isn't going to prevent them from being socially dysfunctional and would, if anything, make it noticeably worse. You're getting off, but you still have issues talking to the other sex. They're just easier to avoid addressing now and your dolls don't demand basic respect.

I don't think I'd come out too much against it, personally. People got biological imperatives, I'm not gonna protest against dildos. But the financial and mental health crises both remain and can't be circumvented like that.

[-] pixeltree@lemmy.world 23 points 1 year ago

I'm already having the mental health crisis, would be nice to have the immersive VR porn to go with it tbh. People in this thread are mostly talking about incels but, like, there's many men with horrible social issues who are self aware. I don't have a relationship, I think I would be a terrible partner and me being single is for the best. I still am lonely sometimes, but accepting it and moving on helps a lot. It still would be nice to have something like this because I would be able to have some companionship without having to be in someone else's life.

Before anyone tells me to go to therapy, I had a few sessions and then my therapist went on long term sick leave and I don't think I have the strength to try again. It hurts less to just accept and live with my problems.

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[-] hglman@lemmy.ml 16 points 1 year ago

Why would being sexually fulfilled make men more shitty to women? Perhaps aloof, but that is different from hateful.

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[-] whatisallthis@lemm.ee 14 points 1 year ago

The psychological ramifications of that are immense. It would destroy people. It would be no different than any other drug.

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[-] ArbitraryValue@sh.itjust.works 77 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I'm unconvinced by this attempt to create a moral panic. IMO nothing here is shocking or offensive once I remember that people could already use their imaginations to picture celebrities naked.

[-] Narrrz@kbin.social 36 points 1 year ago

it's not like celeb porn fakes are anything new, anyway.

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[-] Tylerdurdon@lemmy.world 55 points 1 year ago

So there's a porn segment I've completely overlooked? Unbelievable.

[-] BeMoreCareful@lemdro.id 28 points 1 year ago

This AI thing may catch on

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[-] ivanafterall@kbin.social 48 points 1 year ago

So I checked and nobody has put AI porn of me up for sale, yet. What the fuck, guys? Am I not desirable enough for you!?

[-] strawberry@artemis.camp 18 points 1 year ago

I'm working on it

[-] Tolstoshev@lemmy.world 14 points 1 year ago

We’re saving the best until last.

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[-] UnknownQuantity@lemm.ee 41 points 1 year ago

Ethics of AI porn aside, can we talk about the Pornhub search function and how shit it is?

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[-] randon31415@lemmy.world 30 points 1 year ago

I'll just leave this here:

Automatic1111, depthmap script, image to image, click Left-right stereogram for vr or red-blue if you have old 3d glasses.

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[-] dylanTheDeveloper@lemmy.world 25 points 1 year ago

You could turn these horrors into NFTs and call them coomer coins

[-] ZombiFrancis@sh.itjust.works 25 points 1 year ago

They're also creating a lot of images of maid uniforms wearing human faces making ahegao faces while standing on massive erect penis legs.

They post the eight images that wasn't some body horror fever dream.

There's a lot of human work that goes into (and has gone into) AI art generation. It's just very obscured with just the final product.

Remember creepy people use AI. That's also why a lot of AI stuff is or seems creepy.

[-] SCB@lemmy.world 16 points 1 year ago

They’re also creating a lot of images of maid uniforms wearing human faces making ahegao faces while standing on massive erect penis legs.

Finally there is porn for me

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[-] Kazumara@feddit.de 23 points 1 year ago

Ha, the image description just says "An AI-generated woman found on CivitAI" even though that's clearly the character Power from Chainsaw Man.

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[-] AlexWIWA@lemmy.ml 21 points 1 year ago

Like I've been saying for years, AI doesn't need to be sentient to royally fuck society. Just needs to be good enough to mimic you and ruin your life or take your job.

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[-] aesthelete@lemmy.world 20 points 1 year ago

God damn is there a lot of incel vibes in these comments.

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