Saw him play recently in Alabama. They were selling this phrase on a shirt. Much to my surprise, that shirt was sold out by the time I went to pick it up. I was pleasantly shocked.
Saw someone wearing that shirt in a shopping mall in the UK!
$50 each no doubt
That's how bands make most of their money in the streaming era and with ticketmaster raking in a big chunk of the ticket sales despite not providing much.
The only viable solution when Nazis take control of government is violence. There is no reasoning with them, they are not logical.
This is correct, and also, Nazis don't care about good faith argumentation. They're explicitly anti-liberal (as in, liberty, freedom) and will only pretend to have these values to try and point out an apparent contradiction ("You believe in rights to speech and democracy, so why are you censoring us?")
In this video of former white supremacists talking about how they left the ideology, one brings up that on their Nazi website, it was normal and common to argue for points they knew were garbage, like the Great Replacement theory. It's about power and results, not liberalist idealism.
Violent methods usually aren't the preferred way of dealing with Nazis (because it's harder to get a mass movement to join in and support it, and because it's riskier, legally, which makes it harder to sustain), but it works. It broke up the BUF in Britain, it's kept the local turds scared to show their faces or reveal their true thoughts (don't worry, they still usually get revealed by researchers anyway). Violence works. They know it and we know it. But when they're the government, their violence is now legal.
these values to try and point out an apparent contradiction ("You believe in rights to speech and democracy, so why are you censoring us?")
Nazis want to take that freedom
Of course, but it's there now and they're happy to abuse it. Call them hypocrites all you want, they couldn't care less.
Im well aware. Fuck em
History has proven this.
The violence came from outside the country last time. That's not happening this time.
Nazis deserve exactly as much mercy and tolerance as they give to others.
Violence against Nazis isnt the answer, its a question and the answer is always yes.
The paradox of tolerance is a philosophical concept suggesting that if a society extends tolerance to those who are intolerant, it risks enabling the eventual dominance of intolerance, thereby undermining the very principle of tolerance.
In a tolerant society we must be intolerant of intolerance.
Edit - My mistake, I somehow was blind to the first in-.
In a tolerant society we must be intolerant of intolerance.
No we musn't. The intolerant have broken the social contract and are no longer extended that latitude.
Screw the paradox. Tolerance is a social contract. Intolerant people aren't covered by the contract, therefore intolerance of intolerance isn't hypocritical or paradoxical.
You are agreeing. They said we must be INtolerant of intolerance.
You are correct, I misread what they wrote despite quoting it. Whoops. 🙂
Sigh... I miss the days when Rage Against The Machine focused on music and wasn't political.
Tap for spoiler
I feel obligated to say this is sarcasm, just because of the way things are. (There are actually some people who said this to Tom on Xitter lmao.)
I know right! The band didn't start getting political until 1991.
spoiler
The band was founded in 1991.
Stupid conservatives think, "fuck you, I won't do what you tell me," is speaking to them. Your spoiler / deflection is absolutely necessary. There are a lot of people who don't understand what they take in.
What machine do these people think they are raging against? A dishwasher?
Organize and protect yourselves and those you care about, Nazis won't care.
Arm yourselves.
The Nazis are already armed.
Yep, becoming familiar with firearms is something I wish was unnecessary, but until the working class is liberated it's necessary. I dream of a future where the working class has won triumphantly, worldwide, and that violence fades into urban legend outside of somber historical remembrance.
Diesel, bear spray, propane, and gasoline don't care if you're wearing a bulletproof vest.
Just pointing that out in case it becomes relevant.
Nazis deserve to be shot and killed
the goat
I wanna hear everyone's fight music! I've been leaning on RTJ the last few days.
Probably a lot of obvious choices on here, but I like to think of it as honoring the classics of the genre, and hopefully there are a few entries which are new to folks.
Two nautical themed metal/hardcore songs which get me ready to tussle isn't a lot, but it is weird that it happened twice.
That seems like enough brainstorming for now. Hope someone finds something they vibe with.
Definitely need to take Pantera off your Nazi fighting list.
Oh Jesus fucking Christ. Thank you for letting me know, I'll edit that immediately. The worst part is that I've conditioned myself to cope with the news I've just received by listening to Pantera.
Propaghandi is a big one for me since they're from my city, but also Dead Kennedys, NoFX, Stray From the Path, Jeff Rosenstock
Edit:
I have more 😈:
Sorry, music and finding it is a special interest.
Don't be sorry ✊
Yess, I've been trying to explore punk. Give me punk bands with lyrics I can understand, and who are vocally critical of conservatism and fascism please.
For myself -
A lot of RATM has floated to the top for me in the past few years. They are in heavy rotation now, and weren't really for about fifteen years prior to that. The songs you don't immediately think of when I say RATM have lyrics that are just as true and just as biting. If you like their sound but aren't familiar with most of their work, this is a good time.
Brother Ali - particularly songs like Uncle Sam Goddamn
Dropkick Murphys, particularly most of the Album "This Machine Still Kills Fascists"
Anti-Flag. I know they have proven to have done some shady things with regard to harassing some women at their shows, but I only just discovered them recently (and learned this about them afterwards.) Unfortunately I like their songs and lyrics. "Victory or Death" comes to mind immediately.
Public Enemy - By the time I get to arizona, Black steel in the hour of chaos, fight the power (obv), fight the power 2020, really I don't think they do a song that's not good for the current state of affairs. Over and over in recent years I have concluded that the hip hop community saw what was and what was coming long before (decades before) the rest of us. I wonder why. 🤔
Last couple Arrested Development albums. Good tracks off the top of my head "And This I know" "The Meek" "Amazing" "Fire" "Moses" Gotta listen to these, most aren't going to leap out with the expected energy if you don't pay attention to the lyrics all the way through. There are others. Their last three albums have a high percentage of gems IMO.
Really old one by B. Dolan called "Which side are you on?" (loosely based aoround Guthrie song) which is congruent with a lot of today's issues, though I think it was written primarily in support of this woman. Gonna link it here because I just listened to it again and damn does it slap.
A lot of what I listed above is unsurprisingly posted by me or others in !music@lemmy.world
Maybe Im basic but Rise Against still hits. Sudden Urge goes hard. Also turns out they just released a new song within the last 24h that I need to listen to
Dead Prez been radical and vocal about social and political issues since long before everyone else got there. Music is probably dated by now but their messages have always been consistent and they are very applicable today.
From old timey union fight songs (ex Workers of the world, Awaken) to protest rock. The Swedish band Nationalteatern have a great banger "Staten och Kapitalet" about that the state and the capital sit in the same boat, but it is not those who row and the whip does not lick their fat necks.
I've been loving the old Pete Seeger, Woody Guthrie, Phil Ochs, Billy Bragg, and Barbara Dane
This music just hits so hard
Basically anything off of Idles' 2020 masterpiece, Ultra Mono. Grounds is probably the most direct fight song. My other favorites are War, Mr. Motivator, and Carcinogenic.
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