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[-] Ulrich@feddit.org 256 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

I feel like this is an incredibly obvious yes. They were down for 12 hours. They put Trump's name as their savior in the error message... Then the CEO shows up to his inauguration. Trump freely admits that it is because he believes TikTok helped him win the election:

“I have a warm spot in my heart for TikTok because I won youth by 34 points,” Trump said in December. “And there are those that say TikTok had something to do with that.”

So. Yeah. Of fucking course it was. Fuck national security and all that nonsense, ME ME ME!

[-] 9point6@lemmy.world 99 points 1 month ago

I was thinking the same, I'm 99% certain Trump required his name to be included in the welcome back message as a condition for not implementing the ban.

It's very poorly written theatre

[-] baggachipz@sh.itjust.works 20 points 1 month ago

The audience who enjoys this theater isn’t exactly sophisticated. Pro wrestling has more complex plot and believable characters.

[-] Glasgow@lemmy.ml 25 points 1 month ago

Also they’re now censoring anything anti Trump.

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[-] Bogasse@lemmy.ml 16 points 1 month ago

And didn't they explicitly state that they went down because "the US government is not working on a solution", 12h before this government changed?

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[-] db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 92 points 1 month ago

I will argue that so was the Israel cease-fire "strong-man" act. In fact my conspiracy theory is that Israel explicitly delayed the cease-fire so that Trump could look strong by finishing it, then whined a bit in the newspapers to sell it. This is not even the first time they GOP has done this, as per the Iran hostages affair.

[-] massive_bereavement@fedia.io 40 points 1 month ago

Sounds like the Iran hostage crisis remake.

[-] jubilationtcornpone@sh.itjust.works 19 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Which was itself a sequel to Nixon trying to stall peace negotiations during the Vietnam War.

[-] massive_bereavement@fedia.io 10 points 1 month ago

How can they get away with the exact same plan every time, this is some scoobydoo bullshit.

[-] spamfajitas@lemmy.world 9 points 1 month ago

Judy Woodruff was forced to publicly apologize because Trump and Bibi said they didn't talk about delaying it, but I still think she was right:

https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-accused-crime-benjamin-netanyahu-call-ceasefire-hamas-1942248

I mean, I'd trust unnamed sources over these two guys any day.

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Headline from fox news: "Oliver North: Israel will have to put people on the ground and it will be bloody"

Reality is truly stranger than fiction. If any writer continued to use a character like him for so long in such obvious ways without suffering any consequences, readers' suspension of disbelief would be shattered.

He was there for Iran-Contra. He is still here for Israel-Hamas. The exact same playbook. Place political gain over national interest. Put lives needlessly in danger and extend suffering for an easy win.

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[-] Docus@lemmy.world 73 points 1 month ago

The only thing that can make Trump look good is his obituary

[-] 2ugly2live@lemmy.world 61 points 1 month ago

Lmao, yes.

He "brought it back" before he was even in office. And since no one looks up anything, I'm sure it did it's job.

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[-] small44@lemmy.world 60 points 1 month ago

The original idea came from him. To me it just makes trump a hypocrite

[-] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 20 points 1 month ago

How so? It was politically convenient to go after TikTok when he did it, and it's politically convenient to reverse course now. That's a pretty consistent gameplan from Trump, attack something when it's popular, reverse when reversing is popular.

[-] Initiateofthevoid@lemmy.dbzer0.com 28 points 1 month ago

Hypocrisy: The practice of professing beliefs, feelings, or virtues that one does not hold or possess; falseness.

Holding a position when politically convenient and reversing your stance on that position due to political convenience is hypocrisy. It may be typical and expected, but it's still hypocrisy.

[-] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 11 points 1 month ago

But Trump has no values or beliefs, the only thing he's consistent about it putting his name in headlines. So reversing is absolutely consistent with his values.

[-] Initiateofthevoid@lemmy.dbzer0.com 12 points 1 month ago

Hypocrisy: The practice of professing beliefs, feelings, or virtues that one does not hold or possess

Having no values or beliefs and being self-consistent with ulterior personal values does not change the definition of the word.

If one professes beliefs, feelings, or values that one does not possess, one is a hypocrite.

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[-] Letme@lemmy.world 50 points 1 month ago

Sort of, yes. It is a counterintelligence/disinformation app, and for that reason it makes MAGA look good. MAGA now controls all 3 of the top disinformation apps: Twitter, Facebook , and Tiktok. This is the war on truth; facts and honesty lost.

[-] peregrin5@lemm.ee 13 points 1 month ago

Not to mention they've bought out every previously legitimate news source.

[-] NaibofTabr@infosec.pub 35 points 1 month ago

Give'em the disease then sell'em the cure.

[-] Naia 30 points 1 month ago

Trump started the whole thing because he was unpopular on Tiktok. Republicans jumped on board because young people were politically organizing on the platform and they don't like that.

But up to that point, there was no really effort, even as much as they tried to claim "national security".

Then when the real information about Palestine was being spread there the democrats jumped on board because they are the same as republicans when if comes to foreign policy.

That's what started the actual push that gained momentum. They had no actual evidence about the stuff they claimed. Also, if the claim applied to Tiktok, it applies to all the other social media. But they don't actually care about privacy. They only care about a platform that they couldn't control and wasn't catering to them.

If they cared about privacy, they would have pushed general privacy legislation and/or regulation and oversight on all social media.

The reversal was Biden realizing he does not have a good legacy and with Trump, there was a lot more content this time around that was pro-trump (and also tiktok gave him a million dollars). So now he gets to claim he "saved tiktolk" when he was the start of the whole thing.

[-] scytale@lemm.ee 28 points 1 month ago
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[-] pedroapero@lemmy.ml 25 points 1 month ago

All CEOs understood how to behave with such an arrogant person: flatter him and he will bow to your every wims.

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[-] GasMaskedLunatic@lemmy.dbzer0.com 21 points 1 month ago
[-] Jimmycakes@lemmy.world 17 points 1 month ago

Obviously. They see the game. They played the game.

[-] kvasir476@lemmy.world 13 points 1 month ago

I don't think there was any grand Machiavellian scheme. Trump just capitalized on historic democrat incompetence to make himself look good.

[-] Guntrigger@sopuli.xyz 25 points 1 month ago

Which part of Trump proposing, implementing and then yesterday delaying the ban was down to Democrat incompetence?

[-] kvasir476@lemmy.world 9 points 1 month ago

Please explain how Trump managed to implement this ban with a democrat controlled senate and Joe Biden as president.

[-] Guntrigger@sopuli.xyz 18 points 1 month ago

Thanks, I'll field this extremely easy question - By executive order before it was a bipartisan bill supported by every level of government:

In 2020, President Donald Trump proposed a ban of the app as he viewed it as a national security threat. In August, he signed an executive order instructing that ByteDance divest from the app, though the order was blocked by a court injunction in September and was reversed by the Biden administration in 2021.

To me, making sure that everyone agrees with a new policy before it becomes law, and sending it through the proper channels to be debated and then enacted, doesn't really seem like a dumb thing.

The dumb thing would be to propose a new law, enact it unilaterally, have it revoked because it was enacted unilaterally, then have everyone agree on it anyway when you pass it through the proper channels, then toss it in the trash yourself at literally the first opportunity.

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[-] massive_bereavement@fedia.io 11 points 1 month ago

I think both of you are right: The idea of banning TikTok came during his presidency and he campaigned for it.
However it was a policy supported by Biden and with bipartisan vote, which means Dems were playing at home, so it was on them to not look stupid.

It is mentioned in some news that the Facebook people pushed a lot for TikTok's ban so they could capitalize on a user exodus, though that TikTok feasts on user data and shares it back in China is also true. However you don't solve that with a ban, you solve that with a proper privacy policy. But no US company wants that, no sir. So the Dems were played like the devil went down to Georgia and they were the proverbial fiddle.

But.. I guess saying this is preaching to the choir as most people in here are dutifully aware of privacy. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[-] PanArab@lemm.ee 13 points 1 month ago

Why did the Democrats fall for it though?

[-] Crikeste@lemm.ee 7 points 1 month ago

Because they’re very dumb.

[-] obinice@lemmy.world 9 points 1 month ago

Given that he was the one that called for it to be banned extremely vocally, and he's not been able to keep it banned for more than a few hours even as the now leader of that country, seemingly caving under pressure to flip his stance on the matter (showing off the bat that he's very politically weak)....

I don't see how this makes him look anything but weak, or inept.

[-] foggenbooty@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago

Ahh, but see you're been following this over several months/years, or looked up what actually happened. You're not the target for this dupe.

This tactic works incredibly well as you'll find you are outside the norm. I still remember people ranting about how Obama was late responding to Hurricane Katrina.

Welcome to Politics 2.0 where the information is freely available but the facts don't matter.

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[-] cupcakezealot 8 points 1 month ago

Tiktok is an app for stupid people so naturally stupid people would be more gullible.

[-] misk@sopuli.xyz 7 points 1 month ago

TikTok had to make Trump look good as he presumably saves it so they did that stunt. In the end both sides know TT has to agree to selling majority stake because it isn’t anything China didn’t do to US firms multiple times already.

[-] Freefall@lemmy.world 7 points 1 month ago

Yeah, the super obvious political stunt was a political stunt. It only fools those that don't pay any attention or don't know how anything works. Biden said he would not enforce the order, that trump signed during his first term, to ban tiktok. Then tiktok chose to shut itself down for a day and chose to turn itself back on with its political pandering notice. It is all to manipulate it's users while also paying fealty to the incoming president (because China knows that is how easy he is to control).

[-] HawlSera@lemm.ee 7 points 1 month ago

It likely was, hell it had me fooled. I was honestly about to say "Maybe I was wrong about him? Maybe Kamala losing won't be so bad..."

But then he signed the Transgender order and on the same day Musk did the Nazi salute and I'm like "And this is what I get for questioning my own world view."

At least I voted Harris in the election and spent literally only two or three days (17-20) being fooled, and let's be honest, it was Copium, not truly being swayed

[-] AwesomeLowlander@sh.itjust.works 9 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

I was honestly about to say “Maybe I was wrong about him? Maybe Kamala losing won’t be so bad…”

And this is why democracy sucks. Voters have the memory of a flea and the emotions of a toddler.

- "Democracy is the worst form of govt except for all the other ones that have been tried"

[-] seven_phone@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago

Why, he had no need of it whatsoever, unfathomably he has won control of everything and owes no one anything. Also the world is just not this well managed, it's all just chaos and carnage and design in hindsight.

[-] NaibofTabr@infosec.pub 17 points 1 month ago

Ah, but he does need something... continual attention and praise. Narcissists gonna narcissist.

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