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from another post comment somewhere
Make
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Go
Away
now that's a MEGA I agree with
I also like the former Megaupload.
I think he does know how unpopular he is in europe and he's just doing putin's will by intentionally stoking division between the US and its major allies.
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I also think that many Europeans are pessimistic about the future. The reason for this is Musk, Trump and their cronies. It is the lingering concern that things could get as bad in Europe as they are in the US.
Can he go fuck himself, I like sending my kids to school without body armor and I like free healthcare
We haven't forgotten that time he used Starlink to benefit Russia over Ukraine, around the time he was cosying up to Putin.
The more you guys give this man media attention in this context the stronger he will become. The parties will choose sides and it will make him a defacto leader in which ever side he ends up on.
I'm not sure how to handle this, but in the US trump and elon got so big BECAUSE liberals hated them so much. They are like cheer leaders for assholes.
Im pretty sure he doesn't care, didnt he tell some important EU figure literally to go fuck themselves? He isn't concerned with the opinions of the EU because they're globalist homos to him, thats why he's throwing his support behind AFD, BRUV, and some of these other regarded anti-EU, pro-Russian, pro-kleptocrat groups. to help dismantle the EU for Daddy Vlad
As fascism gains traction and politicians generally speaking lose popularity, someone with as much clout as Elon who tells a ranking EU member to fuck themselves is only going to build their base as a result.
thats why he’s throwing his support behind AFD, BRUV, and some of these other regarded anti-EU, pro-Russian, pro-kleptocrat groups
He's throwing his weight behind them because (a) he has nothing left to gain from the liberal establishment and (b) these underdogs are far more radical and more pliant, so if they win he'll reap more concessions than from their liberal opposition.
The desire to put every foul turn in world events on Daddy Vladdy is as much a part of the problem as Elon himself. NATO residents cannot accept that these calls for fascism are coming from inside the house. Elon can't just be fascist and he can't be pandering to domestic strains of fascism. They all have to be the consequence of some (comically inept and chronically understaffed) Evil Outsider.
Literally no one in Europe thinks "europe is bad" — I've never heard anyone in europe say this. Ever.
What could that even mean? European continent is bad? Europeans think in regions and countries not whole-ass continents which are very much arbitrary. Maybe he meant European Union? 0 IQ take.
Wtf? The entire right wing in Europe likes him, for example... -78%... they should ask more people and not all from one political group...
He's also rigging elections here in Europe and right now he's backing the AfD.
Musk is a great danger for Europe, especially because of his popularity, otherwise he wouldn't have any influence with the voters... Talking up this danger that Musk doesn't exist is exactly the worst thing you can do.
He's quite popular on lemmy though, there's not a single day he isn't on the frontpage
in other words please dont spread to Europe, stay beneign if possible
Usually trends tend to spread from America to Europe, sooner or later. McDonalds, movies, series, software, obesity, ridiculously large pick-up trucks, fascism. Okay, the latter was first exported to the States, like pizza, but it now returns in full swing.
Nowadays very few people in this side of the pond think Europe is worst than the US, and I'm actually living in a country which is pretty much at the tail of the EU wealthwise and hearing that viewpoint from people who old enough and from humble enough origins to have lived in actual misery when this country was a Fascist shithole. As far as I can tell most people around think that at the moment EU is the safest and most prosperous place to live in the World.
People did use to look up to the US maybe 2 decades ago and before, but then the long-term results of Neoliberal Capitalism started to reveal themselves and shitstains like this guy and Trump got into the scene (gleefully followed by the rest of the Republican party and even the Democrat party leadership) and the perception of the US went from "Prosperous Land Of Opportunity" to "Dangerous and Decaying Country".
The American Dream has been murdered and people like Musk are just plunging the knife a couple more times into its already cooling down corpse.
There is quite a massive problem of europans increasingly choosing similary shitty politicians ( so far hungary and slovakia are the worst cases ).
Orbán is falling tho. It's going to be a fight, but he is consistently way behind in the polls and for the first time in 20 years, mainstream Hungarian public opinion is squarely against him.
2026 might be it. Hope I didn't jinx it.
Why is he even so popular. If any serious politician even looked in the russian direction in Poland he would crucified. I always thought it was common among post soviet states. And yer here we are in 2025 with fico in slovakia and orban in hungary.
We were the "happiest barracks" of the Warsaw Pact, and since there was no real revolutionary push in the 90s, the people in power never really left. The current minister of interior was chief of police for example.
Also, he's not that popular, never was. What happened is that the remains of the old regime, the Hungarian Socialist Party was so corrupt and inefficient that there was a major upheaval against them in 2006. Orbán rode that wave to a supermajority in 2010, and immediately changed the election system from something okay to the most fucked up version of FPTP imaginable, literally worse than the US system.
Then the disgraced socialist leader never left, and still had enough followers to keep a 5-15% party alive, which basically destroyed the hope of any opposition party emerging and succeeding on the left, since he would be a spoiler to any opposition party that wasn't him, and he was and still is so unpopular that people still choose Orbán over him.
So Orbán could very easily keep a 2/3 supermajority with a ~30% approval rating up till last year. The new opposition is trying to form a new right-wing party that is not aligned with the old leftist opposition. It seems to be working.
True.
It's still a smaller problem than the US and even the Far Right around these parts won't go down certain routes so popular in America (like the whole religious crap). Even the very overt association with the ultra rich you see in the US isn't popular in Europe with the Far-Right - they'll hapilly take their money, but only as long as it's done quietly.
Absolutelly, there has been copying of American politics by first the European mainstream parties (which is how Neoliberalism came over) and of late the Far-Right who also got a lot of money from the likes of the Koch Brothers (Steve Bannon very overtly came to Europe some years ago with money from them to "Boost Far-Right parties"), but it's done with very different twists and and that's why I doubt a guy with the Societal-awareness of a pretty dumb doorknob, like Musk, can actually twist for his own benefit what are essentially local movements fit to local thinking and exist for local crooks to get rich.
I'll give you a pretty interesting example of how these things are so adapted to local thinking: the Far-Right in The Netherlands, which predated the whole Steve Bannon thing by quite a lot - as far as I can tell it mainly got propelled to significance by the Theo van Gogh murder at the hands of an Islamist - was started by a guy - Pim Fortuyn - who from the start never hid that he was an homosexual. Even in most places in Europe this would be a big No-No for a Far-Right leader, worse so in the US, but in The Netherlands the mindset about sexual orientation is pretty much that it's all normal and as relevant as one's eye color, so for a Far-Right leader to have a sexual orientation other than the majority one was absolutelly fine because such things are irrelevant there.
This is the kind of differences of mindset that a guy like Musk faces if trying to influence politics in Europe. Sure, the Far-Right over here will take his money (they're crooked crooks, so they're fine with getting lots of money under the table) but any such party that actually followed his actual advices would end up overtaken by other Far-Right parties whose speech and politics were more adapted to the local thinking. Also being seen as associating with Musk would negativelly impact his vote, both because he is filthy rich and these parties capture a lot for vote from disenfranchised working class people and because he's a foreigner so the Nationalists instinctivelly distrust him.
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Dear fellow lemmyfriends: underestimate European nationalism, low key racism and stupidity at your own peril. Europeans will not worship at the altar of Musk but they will worship at the altar of whichever local fascist stooge Musk funds.
I would love to see him go to Europe and try to convince them all the rights they have there, need to be gotten rid of. 😂
"Listen, I know you get maternity leave, but you gotta ask yourself, is that hurting the billionaire class?"
He'd be like "this will benefit you in the future when you become a billionaire yourself"
President Musk can fuck right off. Wtf does he know about Europe...
Please Elon, come to Europe!
We need you so bad here!
See you soon!
Luigi
What does -78% approval rating mean?
A typo most likely. I think its referencing this
spoiler
btw, someone happen to remember the tool to view tweets without giving the shit heel traffic?
+100%: everyone loves him; 0%: nobody cares, or the love and hate are equally balanced; -100%: everyone hates him. It's clearer than a 0-100 scale with nobody cares at 50% because positive-only results imply a level of approval.
(Lonnie dumb man voice) “it’s important that, uh, Europe change.”
Shut up, dude.
Fuck you elon don't you have videogames to lie about your skill level in?
What is "This will lead to the end of Europe" even supposed to mean? Will every inhabitant die? Will the land mass disintegrate?
It is probably some wink at replacement theory stuff based on the parties he is supporting.
Europe already "ended" and had "replacement" events so many times in the past it's hard to keep track. Yet it's still there.
One of the disappointments of rednote was learning how many Chinese people bought his "genius engineer progressing humanity" PR horseshit. But they seemed much more understanding when they learned how he treats his kids.
How do you get a negative “approval rating”? Wouldn’t the lowest be 0% ?
Presumably 0% is neutral, -100% everyone disapproves.
Elon, please change yourself. Into plant food.
The reason we don't have any of those nice things in the USA is due to multiple factors. But the one that bothers me the most is: conservative voters are willing and happy to let leopards eat their faces as long as the leopards say mean things about "liberals" while doing it.
We have a lot of problems here in the UK but at least most of us think Musk is an idiot. That diver he called a paedophile way back was a point of national pride for us at the time, because he was British.
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