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[-] Someguy89@lemmy.world 166 points 2 years ago

I'm not sure that has to do with privacy and more like "help us avoid paying income taxes." No one denies that cash is completely anonymous, but that's not the intent here. This is coming from a huge advocate for privacy, but to me this is a stretch.

[-] ladel@feddit.uk 42 points 2 years ago

Avoid paying tax and avoid paying the card transaction fees, which I think is usually a few percent. The latter is valid to get a discount, but it's not going to save them 10%, so feels a bit dodgy.

[-] quicksand@lemm.ee 26 points 2 years ago

Ya, they're going for the ~35% tax dodge

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[-] Spacemanspliff@midwest.social 12 points 2 years ago

The small restaurant I work in racked up at 16k in credit card fees in months. We've had to start applying the 3% fee to credit card sales.

[-] chunkystyles@sopuli.xyz 14 points 2 years ago

Or just raise your prices instead of hitting customers with surprise fees. I own a small business. The vast majority of our revenue is from credit cards. We don't pass those fees into customers, we just raise our prices as needed.

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[-] GenEcon@lemm.ee 8 points 2 years ago

Medium sized business owner here. We pay a lot more for the handling of cash than for cashless.

[-] tusker@monero.town 6 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

This is because the system hates cash and has erected all types barriers and inefficiencies when handling cash.

You should look into Monero, it is like cash but digital. No more worrying about your payment processor cutting you off because of you political views.

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[-] itsmect@monero.town 7 points 2 years ago

Credit cards transaction may only cost a few percent, but the cost to business can be significantly higher. For example visa forces you to no require a minimum for credit cards, and they charge a base fee regardless. Also if a customer issues a dispute, the business may have to pay the dispute fee, regardless of the outcome of the dispute. Louis Rosmann as quite a few good videos on this topic, eg: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6an5ZP4Vnzg

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[-] Draghetta@sh.itjust.works 48 points 2 years ago

lol that’s a tax evader, they save 20% and you save 10%, it’s the good old Italian tradition of “you don’t really need a receipt do you”

[-] tusker@monero.town 8 points 2 years ago

Great, taxes is theft.

[-] negativeyoda@lemmy.world 41 points 2 years ago

Someone doesn't want to pay fees or taxes. Privacy is just a convenient excuse

[-] tusker@monero.town 9 points 2 years ago

Fees are no problem, they come along with valuable services. Taxes is theft and is extracted by the use of violence then the funds are stolen, wasted, and used to commit murder.

[-] GenEcon@lemm.ee 15 points 2 years ago

Holy shit.. that went insane insanely fast.

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[-] peterj74@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago

How would a guverment work without taxes? And if your argument is that a society works without a guverment, how would that work in regards to hospitals, firefighters, cops, social programs for the poor or homeless, etc?

[-] tusker@monero.town 6 points 2 years ago

The government should be extremely limited and funded by fees charged for useful services it provides, if needed a small sales tax could be instituted locally.

Rights need to be restored back to the individual so people can take care of themselves as needed in terms of defense and health care instead of sending 80% of their income to be wasted relying on some horrible and inefficient system. Once we wrangle the state back down to size people will have more than enough wealth to give to charities to help the poor.

[-] Madison420@lemmy.world 12 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

The government should be extremely limited and funded by fees charged for useful services it provides, if needed a small sales tax could be instituted locally.

Congratulations you just described taxation.

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[-] astral_avocado@lemm.ee 8 points 2 years ago
[-] tusker@monero.town 6 points 2 years ago

yup, no cowardly boot lickers here

[-] Madison420@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Bro you're quite literally boot licking a corporation commiting tax theft..... Try harder or I dunno basic common sense if that fails.

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[-] fushuan@lemm.ee 7 points 2 years ago

Taxes is theft

Okay, then leave civilised society.

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[-] Treczoks@lemm.ee 19 points 2 years ago

You would not believe how many cash payments in the end customer food and service industry never make it to the books.

What's next? "Save the Planet! Save Paper! Get 5% off if you don't need an invoice!"

[-] tusker@monero.town 8 points 2 years ago

Good to hear. It means less money going to war criminals.

[-] astral_avocado@lemm.ee 7 points 2 years ago

Yes that's why I pay cash. To help out the small people!

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[-] alvvayson@lemmy.world 14 points 2 years ago

I really don't like cash.

It's just too vulnerable to theft and robbery.

I think Monero is better than cash. Would love to see that get more use in these kind of settings.

[-] Zuberi@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 2 years ago

Why is this so heavily down-voted in monero.town of all places?...

Lemmy.world gtfo you dummies

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[-] Nioxic@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 2 years ago

This would be illegal some places.

[-] tusker@monero.town 6 points 2 years ago

Yes, in communist hellholes.

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[-] smileyhead@discuss.tchncs.de 11 points 2 years ago

If it would be 1-3%, I understand, because that's the fee for credit cards. But 10%?? Something is clearly wrong.

[-] tusker@monero.town 7 points 2 years ago

They are concerned with the totalitarian psychopaths tightening their grip on society. so they are sacrificing their profits to help everyone in society not become a total slave.

[-] schmensch@discuss.tchncs.de 30 points 2 years ago

or they're just doing tax evasion, which is way more likely.

[-] tusker@monero.town 8 points 2 years ago

either way they are helping society, taxes = theft

[-] hglman@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago

Private property is the actual theft.

[-] VolunTerry@monero.town 8 points 2 years ago

Please feel free to give up the device you wrote this message on along with any clothing or other possessions you may have, including the food you intend to eat to continue to maintain life.

You've deprived the rest of the planet of these resources while you've been using them. Some of the inhabitants here want or feel they need them more than you.

Come to think of it, the earth itself may object to you borrowing energy from it to sustain or amuse yourself.

Selfish.

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[-] epique@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago

I agree with the idea and I don't have this reaction else where but when I see the cash only signs in food places it just makes me jump to tax evasion. Don't know why it's only food places that give me that feeling.

[-] tusker@monero.town 7 points 2 years ago

Taxes is immoral and based on violence and oppression, so evading it is the right thing to do.

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[-] wahming@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago

Man, OP's comments in here are a ride. And I thought the tankies were bad

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[-] Etterra@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago

The cashless society thing is just idiotic religious superstition masquerading as legitimacy. A disgusting number of people still believe that "the number of the beast" from the Bible book of Revelations is literal in some way. Anything that makes paper money obsolete in favor of electronic, especially if it's an implant, is viewed by some in that capacity. It's stupid AF but then again so are religious literalists.

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