Windows 11 has made the “clean Windows install” an oxymoron : technology

[-] Gazumi@lemmy.world 182 points 1 year ago

Just bought a new Windows laptop and it was LOADED with bloatware. Some apps could be deleted simply, some however are baked in. Discovered BloatyNosyApp and the partner app Junk Ctrl for W11 on GitHub https://github.com/builtbybel/BloatyNosy

This seems to have done the trick quickly and surprisingly easily compared to DIY powershell activity.

[-] Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com 58 points 1 year ago

All PCs bought in retail should be wiped and reimaged with a fresh install. At the very best, you install the firmware updates manually or via the manufacturer app but even then I will take a second look before approving.

[-] Kazumara@feddit.de 21 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

That was the point of the article, it doesn't do the trick anymore, bloatware is now part of the default install.

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[-] msage@programming.dev 38 points 1 year ago

Yes, let's fucking download software from a GitHub repo!

And then bitch how Linux isn't user friendly, because you... might have to download software from a GitHub repo?

[-] Cabrio@lemmy.world 21 points 1 year ago

One is a choice, the other an inevitability. These are not the same.

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[-] traveler@lemdro.id 146 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

TLDR: Windows is now the bloatware.

Windows is getting shittier and shittier each version. Using a MacOS, even with all its flaws it's such a clean experience compared to it.

[-] Stinkywinks@lemmy.world 105 points 1 year ago

But then I'd have to support Macintosh's overpriced garbage.

[-] traveler@lemdro.id 75 points 1 year ago

Overpriced? Yes, garbage? No. The MacBooks are far beyond the close competition in both quality and performance. Apple Silicon is a game changer for the industry and it's making Intel and AMD look very bad.

[-] Stinkywinks@lemmy.world 61 points 1 year ago

The close competition? For the price of a MacBook you could get a beefy ass PC.

[-] _g_be@lemmy.world 38 points 1 year ago

A MacBook is very good at what it does. If you tried to spec out a laptop/portable computer for similar tasks, the Mac would be pretty competitive and have longer battery life.

Once you try to do anything that apple didn't intend for it to do (play games, for example) or if we turn to desktops then the value proposition goes away pretty quickly

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[-] scoredseqrica@lemmy.ml 31 points 1 year ago

That’s not apples to apples. If you spec a windows laptop, good luck getting the same performance and the same battery life and portability at the same price. Also build quality, screen, speaker and trackpad quality will likely not be at apples level from the windows machine. If that’s what you’re in the market for Apple machines are not bad. For instance a photographer/videographer working on location, truly amazing for them. Should everyone buy one? No. Are there a 100 better ways to spend the money if you don’t have that specific Apple favoured use case. Sure, e.g. your mum doesn’t need a MacBook Pro for Facebook / Amazon browsing and your cousin shouldn’t buy a Mac Studio for gaming. But use cases do exist, and for those people Macs are genuinely a good proposition.

[-] Stinkywinks@lemmy.world 22 points 1 year ago

I'm willing to bet you could find a laptop with a really nice track pad, screen and camera if you really wanted to for half the price. Everything "quality" about Mac is double the price just for having an apple logo on it.

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[-] traveler@lemdro.id 20 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

A beefy ass desktop that weights about 15kg and eats as much energy as a microwave when gaming. For performance per watt nothing beats the Apple Silicon.

[-] beeng@discuss.tchncs.de 27 points 1 year ago

What you using all that power for? Gaming? Not likely on Mac, Machine learning? Also not likely with that GPU... Maybe a Photoshop machine? Enjoy that non expandable ram.

For a nice dev machine I get it, nice battery life and watch Netflix on a screen, but it's not like you can't get a same performance machine for the same/lesser price with Dell/Thinkpad and use Linux...

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[-] fckreddit@lemmy.ml 50 points 1 year ago

Right. Buy products that is not only expensive to buy, but also expensive to repair. Pass..

[-] Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com 39 points 1 year ago

Before I will even think about buying a Mac I will buy a Framework laptop and install debian.
And I don't even use Linux outside of a home server.

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[-] Boozilla@lemmy.world 138 points 1 year ago

The MBA dickheads took Microsoft over years ago. Engineers used to have some input on features and design, but those days are long gone. I know the term enshittification has been overused, but it applies double to Microsoft.

Tools like ShutUp10 (which works on Windows 11) are the only reason I can bear to use their bloated horrible OS for my job.

Office 365 pissed me off so much I only use LibreOffice now (and it's excellent).

We should all be using Linux, but some folks (like me) are trapped for now.

[-] Prethoryn@lemmy.world 139 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Fuck Libre Office and Open Office.

I really hate the, "we should all use Linux" mentality and I see it on here a lot. Let me tell someone who barely knows how to send a fucking file over the internet how to fix their broken repository that decided to randomly break during an Linux upgrade.

Linux and Windows do different things in different ways that make sense in both ways for different reasons. Not everyone should hate Windows or vice versa, Linux, because this entire Lemmy community thinks it is superior in every way.

I get pissed off by office as well but you know what it has some pretty damn good features. It works in the cloud it's easy to sync across my decides.

Windows updates break things but at least MS and Windows has a massive catalogue of fixes and ways to go back.

I love Linux but holy mother of fucking God it is an absolute pain in the ass to fix when it breaks and you expect me to tell my Mom to understand that.

No, we should not all be using Linux because Linux does not work for all models needing to be met. I hate to be that aggressive asshole but Jesus Christ I keep seeing this on Lemmy and it's just a god damn stupid fucking statement. Oh and for fucks sake. If I see, "what kind of Linux system are you using that breaks." Dammit, I have literally seen Linux break in the middle of a college classroom demonstration of just installing it and wouldn't you know it just like Windows it isn't perfect. Get off your high horse people. You don't know something more than the average person because you use Linux or Windows or hell even Unix.

[-] loutr@sh.itjust.works 76 points 1 year ago

People who "barely knows how to send a fucking file over the internet" can't fix shit on Windows either. I spent a lot more time fixing my mom's Windows install than her Ubuntu.

[-] lvxferre@lemmy.ml 47 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I spent a lot more time fixing my mom’s Windows install than her Ubuntu.

Small anecdote, roughly in the same line as yours:

As W7 was close to end of life, I asked my mum about it, as her laptop used W7. And after highlighting the privacy nightmare that W10 became, she decided to try Linux out. So I installed Mint in her machine. At the start she asked for help often, but the amount of "pls help" decreased over time. The last time that she asked for help was because she wanted to access "her computer" from her phone, just like I do with mine. (i.e. local network.)

My neighbours though? I often get some spare change from them, by helping them out with their Windows machines. And they're in the same level of tech expertise as my mum, you know, those folks who can download and install a program and not much else.

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[-] subtext@lemmy.world 52 points 1 year ago

I’m not gonna comment on the Linux portion because you seem quite passionate, but both Libre Office and Open Office are cross platform apps. So they’ll work just fine with your OneDrive / Dropbox / Backblaze / whatever to give you the wonderful fully cloud synced experience on either Windows or Linux.

[-] ricdeh@lemmy.world 22 points 1 year ago

Linux is just the kernel and infinitely superior to anything Microsoft has ever produced by itself. Stability and usability issues arise from the distribution that is being used, there are many that are tailored for the average consumer and that are just as simple to use as Windows. People like to forget it, but Android also uses the Linux kernel and is the most successful operating system in the world, with the amount of installed instances dwarfing the amount of Microsoft Windows installations.

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[-] sturmblast@lemmy.world 48 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

if I didn't work in IT and I didn't play certain video games and I didn't need certain recording software I would be 100% Linux it kind of pisses me off that I can't be 100%.

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[-] grue@lemmy.ml 135 points 1 year ago

ITT: folks who think Linux is too complicated or whatever, but are perfectly willing to jump through endless hoops to work around some of Windows' deliberate hostility.

The Stockholm syndrome is real.

[-] Double_A@discuss.tchncs.de 40 points 1 year ago

In my experience Linux usually has many more hoops...

[-] Pyroglyph@lemmy.world 32 points 1 year ago

I've reinstalled both Linux and Windows on the same machine a few weeks ago and it was considerably easier and faster to install Linux. It also had less problems post-install too.

[-] PraiseTheSoup@lemm.ee 27 points 1 year ago

Installing Linux is incredibly fast and easy, yeah. It's everything you try to do after that. Unless you are a regular user and have commands memorized you need to open a browser and go look them up every time you need to do some basic shit. I've been using Linux off and on since 2008 and you just cannot say with a straight face that it is easier than windows.

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[-] spider@lemmy.nz 30 points 1 year ago

folks who think Linux is too complicated or whatever

At one point this was true, but that was many years ago.

Unfortunately, that reputation has kind of stuck.

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[-] Agent641@lemmy.world 25 points 1 year ago

Microsoft only hurts me when I'm being a bitch. Its my fault. He's normally really nice.

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[-] madsen@lemmy.world 70 points 1 year ago

Downgraded my new desktop computer from Win11 to Win10 this weekend. Still considering if I shouldn't just go back to Linux now that Valve has made gaming on Linux viable...

[-] kspatlas@artemis.camp 26 points 1 year ago

Have you checked if your games are supported on ProtonDB?

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[-] Andi@feddit.uk 48 points 1 year ago

When choosing the region/language, choose "English (World)". Boom, bloatware be gone.

You can safely change it to your correct region once you've logged in (Note: the Windows Store won't work until you do).

[-] LinkOpensChest_wav@lemmy.one 53 points 1 year ago

the Windows Store won’t work until you do

So just never do it. Noted.

[-] Andi@feddit.uk 18 points 1 year ago

Remember some 'core' apps, such as Paint and Calculator are delivered via the Store now too - so they'll also be missing.

[-] AdamEatsAss@lemmy.world 27 points 1 year ago

I'll just pirate a version of paint

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[-] LinkOpensChest_wav@lemmy.one 22 points 1 year ago

Good. Those are easily replaced by FOSS alternatives.

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[-] tabular@lemmy.world 34 points 1 year ago

Anyone got a spare Linux CD key?

[-] smileyhead@discuss.tchncs.de 23 points 1 year ago

You might like this little program: https://github.com/MrGlockenspiel/activate-linux

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[-] chronicledmonocle@lemmy.world 27 points 1 year ago

Man I don't miss Windows. Gaming, work, etc. all done on Linux here. I don't even use my dual boot anymore. Haven't for months. Probably need to just fully nuke my Windows drive and make it more storage for games.

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[-] Potfarmer@lemmy.world 26 points 1 year ago

Been using Windows since XP, watched it get worse with every iteration while getting a shiny new exterior. Was finally forced from Windows 7 to Windows 10 a few years ago and the day Windows tries to foist 11 on me is the day I go fully down the Linux rabbit hole.

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[+] NumbersCanBeFun@kbin.social 22 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

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[-] kowcop@aussie.zone 18 points 1 year ago

Your work sounds like it has no IT Security department and no HR department

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