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So far, Americans using RedNote have said they don't care if China has access to their data. Viral videos on TikTok in recent days have shown Americans jokingly saying they will miss their personal "Chinese spy," while others say they are purposefully giving RedNote access to their data in a show of protest against the wishes of the U.S. government.

"This also highlights the fact that people are thirsty for platforms that aren't controlled by the same few oligarchs," Quintin said. "People will happily jump to another platform even if it presents new, unknown risks."

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[-] marcos@lemmy.world 134 points 6 months ago

Lemmy doesn't have the censorship and speech-control from those platforms, but it pretty much distributes your data widely to anybody that asks for it.

[-] Kidplayer_666@lemm.ee 139 points 6 months ago

Hear me out: if you post stuff publicly, it is out there. The issue is data that shouldn’t be public getting public

[-] SmoothLiquidation@lemmy.world 48 points 6 months ago

This is it. A strong public domain benefits everyone. It is why open source software works.

[-] sbv@sh.itjust.works 15 points 6 months ago

AFAIU Lemmy sends your username, a user ID, and URI along with your message. That's pretty innocuous.

[-] marcos@lemmy.world 15 points 6 months ago

It's way less innocuous than you think.

But yeah, it's only the stuff that you'd expect it to send. And only the stuff it needs to send. But the thing is, the valuable data those social networks gather is almost exactly that. They will invade your privacy and get everything they can, but the real value is on that and what you read. (What you read isn't shared here.)

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[-] surph_ninja@lemmy.world 88 points 6 months ago

If you want more people to join the fediverse, you have to improve the user experience. People don’t want to read an article breaking down what the fediverse is, how to join an instance, how to find content, etc.

Streamline the join process so it doesn’t require learning the lore and technical training. Stop promoting the fediverse generally, and instead push people to easy to use frontends and popular instances. Remove the barriers to entry. If they want to dig deeper into different instances and the technical stuff, let them do that later. Stop loading the info dump at the front.

[-] grrgyle@slrpnk.net 14 points 6 months ago

I agree that promoting the fediverse generally kind of doesn't make sense. People join communities, not web protocols.

I wonder if we shouldn't talk so much about "the fediverse" as we do about individual instances, because that's what people actually join. They get the rest of the fediverse for free, but their home server will always be home. Just like with reddit back in the day, how I may not have identified much with the reddit overculture, I did love some of its communities.

Like look at the difference between the slrpnk communities, and the programming.dev communities. That's something to be celebrated, like, come join this server - look at all the cool things we're doing!

[-] mrvictory1@lemmy.world 13 points 6 months ago

Fediverse and decentralism confused me initially but then I learned I can just sign up at lemmy.world and use it normally without having to know the backend.

[-] el_abuelo@programming.dev 12 points 6 months ago

You get it. Well said.

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[-] Sergio@slrpnk.net 87 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

FWIW Pixelfed's been growing like crazy the last couple days

Source: https://pixelfed.fediverse.observer/dailystats

edit: loops has a much smaller userbase but has also gained active users in the last couple days: https://loops.fediverse.observer/dailystats

[-] coherent_domain@infosec.pub 21 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Not the first on the app store, unfortunately...

I understand people arguing that a lot of advocacy work is on tiktok, hence it is important; but I really wish good people can advocate on good platforms, instead of monopolistic data-hungry tech oligarchs.

[-] P4ulin_Kbana@lemmy.eco.br 81 points 6 months ago

Fediverse fanboys when they realise that their obscure and socially complex software isn't know by many people specially outside of the tech bubble, and that it's not the same experiences that they will get with their known platforms:

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[-] FlihpFlorp@lemm.ee 32 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

As someone who isn’t tech savvy I only joined the fediverse when I had no other choice when Apollo shutdown (except of course going back to Reddit)

Heck when I heard talks of lemmy hearing the word servers was enough to spook me out of joining until last minute

I had a point in here somewhere but I’m so tired i lost it so feel free use your imagination

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[+] minibyte@sh.itjust.works 59 points 6 months ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

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[-] gravityowl@lemm.ee 34 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

The weird obsessions you and some users have for certain instances that you can block is truly mind boggling

Edit: lmao considering OP went to trouble of making a whole gif to celebrate being banned from .ml, I’d say they also fall into the category of "user being obsessed with another instance". A very mature and normal thing to do!

[-] cm0002@lemmy.world 39 points 6 months ago

Blocking is just shoving your head in the sand, what about new users who don't know any better? Not very fair to them to be instantly subjected to that fire hose and is a bad look as a whole.

[-] gravityowl@lemm.ee 18 points 6 months ago

Blocking is just shoving your head in the sand

I already wrote my thoughts here about this, so I'm not going to re write everything.

I am very much aware about those instances.

What it actually shows, is that neither of you have taken the time to understand why those instances are hated. You're just following the trend without knowing why

what about new users who don't know any better?

What about them? They can find out just like any other users have. Hopefully, those new users might do more research on them than you

Not very fair to them to be instantly subjected to that fire hose and is a bad look as a whole.

It's exactly as bad of a look as any other instance in here. There are trolls everywhere, and you pretending that they're only there is an outstanding simplification.

You think there aren't any bigots on .world? What would those poor new users think of .world when they see a racist bigot?

[-] cm0002@lemmy.world 27 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Sorry, but I did have an open mind with them. You're the one that has a fundamental misunderstanding on the tankies of .ml

Most of their positions isn't "The ideals of communism is good and should be pursued" which is something I have no issues with

Their positions deny basic facts in support of their beliefs, like China being an authoritarian dictatorship masquerading as a communist country. Or China has in fact led its own genocides or that Russia invaded Ukraine unprovoked. Hell they've even been known to be on favor of NK.

And when you bring up these basic facts, your comment is removed and you're probably going to be at minimum banned from the community. They do not engage in good faith. Period.

That is why they are so hated

Edit:

Look at this, not even 20 minutes ago, "JiveTurkey" banned for "bigotry"

[-] gravityowl@lemm.ee 14 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Sorry, but I did have an open mind with them. You're the one that has a fundamental misunderstanding on the tankies of .ml

Riiight. I have an alt account on .ml (like you would know if you bothered to read linked my comment, instead of replying to only a chunk of my comment) but I am the one who don't understand that instance....suuure.

Also, trying to use tankies as an offensive term, immediately shows your true colors and how much you "really had an open mind". You didn't and you don't have an open mind.

Most of their positions isn't "The ideals of communism is good and should be pursued" which is something I have no issues with

It actually is.

Their positions deny basic facts in support of their beliefs, like China being an authoritarian dictatorship masquerading as a communist country. Or China has in fact led its own genocides or that Russia invaded Ukraine unprovoked. Hell they've even been known to be on favor of NK.

All of this is false. Just because there are SOME extreme users, it doesn't mean the whole instance is like that. By the same standard, when I see a Trump meme or with Confederate flags or with transphobic content, I should generalize for the whole instance too, yes?

The examples you provided further show that you didn't really went to .ml with an open mind. I am not denying those facts, but the way you described them indicate you learned nothing. There are SO many posts already there that address all those examples and how historical revisionism and propaganda helped to muddy the waters. A lot of the things we know about those historical facts (and let's be honest - we're not historians. The things we know about those events, are mostly what was told to us and what we quickly scanned on a summary) are somewhat painted in a light that makes them appear more favorable to whoever has interests in the race.

And when you bring up these basic facts, your comment is removed and you're probably going to be at minimum banned from the community. They do not engage in good faith. Period.

I've never had any issues with the mods over there. Whenever I asked questions about ANY of those facts, I've always received very calm and detailed answers to those questions. Sometimes I was happy with their replies, sometimes I was not and my mind wasn't changed.

But certainly I didn't go in calling everyone a tankie and telling them they're all just a bunch of insane users who don't understand as much as you do.

That is why they are so hated

It's not. It's because it's easier and more appealing for users to get on the hate train without actually engaging with different ideas.

Just like so many users do when they go in that community to ask a "gotcha" question that has been addressed thousands of times before and then cry "see? Authoritarian tankies!!" When they get banned for it.

Full honesty here: I too cried like that at first. But it's precisely because I behaved in a similar way to what I just described. And that is not open mindedness

Edit: to reply to your screenshot: That comment is using a lot of common stereotypes. You think "western" platforms are not censored? Try making a positive post about Palestine on Reddit or on Instagram. I dare you.

[-] gsfraley@lemmy.world 11 points 6 months ago

I too cried like that at first.

You're really throwing out every dishonest rhetorical tactic in the book. Reading this exchange is disgusting.

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[-] webghost0101@sopuli.xyz 12 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Whu, are you really criticizing op for spending time to make content???

Cirklejerking is nothing new. Dissing on the big heavily moderated instances is just a part of lemmy culture as I understand it. And its not like people on those big instances arent cirkejerking against the haters also.

Here is a mirror. Why are you making a fuss about it? You yourself are free to block any of us if that is your preferred solution.

I am not gonna block them, I am even subscribed to some spaces on .ml .Majority of the users are no different then elsewhere. But i do take the underlying warning seriously and try to pay extra attention to subtle propaganda (which exists on every instance). Encourage people to sign up to smaller less restrictive instances.

I have read your explanation comment btw, and i am gonna be honest it makes no sense in the context of myself. The reason I personally cant relate with tankies is not because they are too left for my comfort but the exact opposite. Compared to my own anarchist ideals tankies lack qualities i deem important and exhibit propertied i recognize as fascist in nature.

If you are now thinking my opinion on what counts as fascist isnt worth any salt to you then you are close to understanding my point. We are still both a part of this community regardless of both our valuable opinions and while yours frustrates me a bit, i hold no ill will against you.

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[-] Dearth@lemmy.world 19 points 6 months ago

Not everyone who is willing to use redbook is interested in the authoritarian gatekeeping done in the outrage farm known as lemmy.ml

You might be surprised to learn that there are plenty of leftists who aren't interested in marxist-lenninism at all

[-] DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 14 points 6 months ago

Sir we're all outrage farmers, it's why we (mostly) left Reddit.

[-] watty@lemm.ee 58 points 6 months ago

I used to think that the perceived complexity of the fediverse was creating a hurdle for more adoption.

Now all these fucking people are learning Chinese to better use RedNote.

Apparently convenience isn't actually a barrier? I'm baffled why so many people are flocking to anything other than the fediverse.

[-] nroth@lemmy.world 39 points 6 months ago

I think it's probably marketing more than convenience

[-] jodanlime@midwest.social 18 points 6 months ago

I agree. You have to either be in the tech sphere or privacy sphere to know about fediverse apps. Outside of reddit refugees I don't think anyone using the normal apps know about fediverse options or what that even means to be decentralized. I don't think it's really a functionality or convenience issue, we really need our own special interest groups or something to help with fedi app branding and PR. Not sure if that is even something that is crowd sourceble?

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[-] HBK@lemmy.dbzer0.com 34 points 6 months ago

I know we are all on here because we dislike the kind of algorithms that tik tok, Instagram, and Facebook have, but that is exactly the thing my wife was looking for. When I had her download pixelfed and loops she was like ' I have to search out content and manually follow people like I did with Facebook back in the day?' and she uninstalled.

Algorithms can be addictive and evil, but for some people that's what they're looking for.

[-] Whateley@lemm.ee 33 points 6 months ago

"I'm protesting American oligarchs and the surveillance state by willingly giving my personal data to Chinese oligarchs and the surveillance state. Lol, get rekt. I am very smart."

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[-] hellfire103@lemmy.ca 31 points 6 months ago

Ptime example:

[-] Burninator05@lemmy.world 30 points 6 months ago

TikTok doesn't want the data of the average person becaue they aren't valuable in any way.

TikTok is being blocked because they can manipulate their algorithm to feed influencers to them that push pro-Chinese stances.

Imagine a hypothetical hot war between the US and China where China is telling a significant number of the US population what to think. I specifically say it that way becaue I don't believe any US company has a significant user base is China.

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[-] sigmaklimgrindset@sopuli.xyz 25 points 6 months ago

Apparently some Israeli-Americans went on Red Note to specifically asked Chinese people what they thought of Israel, and users basically said they were "Devil's on this earth for killing babies" which like...damn. Even through the Great Firewall they aren't beating the allegations.

So I'm sure the Israeli lobby will get that banned next, we shouldn't worry.

[-] JusticeForPorygon@lemmy.world 24 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

I do find it kinda funny that that the US gov. Was using "CCP propaganda" as an excuse to ban a platform of expression, and now many of those users have begun using an app that actually has a history of defending the CCP

[-] jubilationtcornpone@sh.itjust.works 24 points 6 months ago

Somewhere deep in the CCP...

Senior Operative: "What intelligence have we gleaned from the Americans so far?"

Junior Operative: "I'm beginning to think this well is dry."

[-] PieMePlenty@lemmy.world 20 points 6 months ago

Its OK, I dont mind lower numbers on fedi. Feels more like The Good Old Days™ of forums. More people, more shit.

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[-] MehBlah@lemmy.world 19 points 6 months ago

So they are stupid.

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[-] TommySoda@lemmy.world 18 points 6 months ago

Personally I just like the fuck you energy behind it all.

[-] avieshek@lemmy.world 17 points 6 months ago

The fediverse and the decentralised web has a long way to go and need to learn a thing or two about UX unless it wants to join the plight of Linux distros.

[-] VinesNFluff@pawb.social 15 points 6 months ago

I have long since given up on Normies ever coming to the Indie Web, federated or otherwise

Ever since the big Xwitter exodus, when people went to BlueSky when Mastodon was right there.

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[-] atocci@lemmy.world 14 points 6 months ago

Is Loops out yet?

[-] unknown1234_5@kbin.earth 10 points 6 months ago

very beta rn, but its no worse than TikTok functionally and doesn't have any Chinese spyware

[-] rigatti@lemmy.world 21 points 6 months ago

How is Loops no worse than TikTok functionally? People love TikTok for its feed algorithm. Loops doesn't have that and it's barely functional at all at this point.

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[-] huginn@feddit.it 14 points 6 months ago

It is dogshit compared to tiktok in the only functionality that matters - algorithmic matching of content to user.

Yeah ok it can stream a video cool. That's not worth a can of beans in 2025 - can it give you content that you want to see when you want to see it?

The answer is a resounding no right now. Until it's consistently serving up top notch pairings of content to user interest it wont stand a chance in the mainstream.

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[-] Professorozone@lemmy.world 11 points 6 months ago

What should we expect from people who voted in a rich, old, white guy as their savior.

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[-] Letme@lemmy.world 11 points 6 months ago

Americans are populist trend followers, get what they deserve. Even China banned TikTok 😂

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[-] NutWrench@lemmy.world 10 points 6 months ago

" . . . giving Rednote access to their data as a show of protest . . ."

That's a special kind of stupid.

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