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submitted 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) by ShotDonkey@lemmy.world to c/privacy@lemmy.ml

In an unexpected mask off "secure" email and VPN provider Proton took the stance of siding with the fascist MAGA Reps. Proton's services are no option for me and many others any longer. Let's collect and discuss alternatives (E2E encrypted email and VPN) here 🔐👇

Always try to provide:

-Server location (jurisdiction)

-Governance

-Integrity/trustworthiness/transparency

-User experience/ease of use (grade 1 to 10, lets take Proton as a benchmark with an 8)

-Pricing and links

If you know alternative setups, feel free to share, too.

#ProtonExodus

Background: https://lemmy.ca/comment/13913116

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[-] hddsx@lemmy.ca 26 points 1 day ago

I don’t use proton, but I would be grateful if you could share a link on how Proton sided with fascists.

Also, I use Mullvad for VPN and I host my own email

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[-] Perhapsjustsniffit@lemmy.ca 26 points 1 day ago

Uggghhh I just upped for two years. Fucking asshats are all caving to the orange fuckhead. Probably off to Europe somewhere.

Ask them for a cancellation and refund. Don't explain the reason, just say you changed your mind, make up some excuse if they ask.

[-] DeeBeeDouble@lemmy.ml 16 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Why wouldn't you tell them the reason?

Get the money back first, then say the reason. Don't wanna bring up politics in case they wanna be a douche and deny refund.

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[-] lazzerot@startrek.website 15 points 22 hours ago* (last edited 22 hours ago)

Protonmail has been my main email provider for the past 7 years, and unless its CEO decides to sell it to Trump or Musk I honestly don't see how his stupid private or not so private opinions are worth the hassle of changing my email for the million things I use my main and all the other emails I registered with Protonmail.
Most rich people have very dubious or outright awful political opinions and unless you're rich enough to have someone build you an alternative or deconnected enough from society/only exist in programmer circles and are able to live entirely on FOSS software I don't see why the average user should care about the CEO's political stance. Maybe that's my ignorant opinion as a European, but would you stop using Linux if you found out Linus Torvalds secretly loves Windows? Probably not.

[-] raspberriesareyummy@lemmy.world 10 points 22 hours ago

Your analogy/ example is fucked up and beyond stupid. Protonmail is hosted by the organization. Linus has no access to the Linux systems in the world. Also, thousands have contributed to the Linux ecosystem.

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[-] zdhzm2pgp@lemmy.ml 23 points 1 day ago* (last edited 20 hours ago)

AFAICT, it looks like all he's doing is praising Trump's pick for AG in the Antitrust division . . . although if you look over her Wikipedia page, you're right, it doesn't look all that encouraging.

Can someone on Mastodon ask the Proton CEO what it was exactly that she did that he likes so much? Anyone who can work at Fox for any length of time, frankly, is complete and utter shite.

EDIT: Also, just as a broken clock can be right twice a day, President 🍄 sank the Trans Pacific Partnership, which was the right thing to do, but for the wrong reason: mainly to get back at Obama for existing. So in the same way, I suppose it's possible that Slater did something good, but I'd sure like to know what it was.

[-] schnapspraline@lemmy.world 19 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

My personal recommendations:

https://uberspace.de

  • Server location (jurisdiction): Germany
  • Integrity/trustworthiness/transparency: About-Page
  • User experience/ease of use (grade 1 to 10, lets take Proton as a benchmark with an 8): 6
  • Pricing: Based on solidarity, but recommend minimum is 5 € per month

https://www.hostsharing.net

  • Server location (jurisdiction): Germany
  • Integrity/trustworthiness/transparency: well, you own part of hostsharing if you use it (collective-ownership)
  • User experience/ease of use (grade 1 to 10, lets take Proton as a benchmark with an 8): 6
  • Pricing: 64 € onetime payment + 10 € per month (cooperative)

Other recommendations:

  • mailbox.org, systemli.org, riseup.net, posteo.de (as far as I know all of them are located in Germany)
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[-] Horsey@lemmy.world 8 points 21 hours ago* (last edited 21 hours ago)

In all seriousness, I genuinely feel like the demographics of those making over 250K/year outside of Silicon Valley (proton is from Switzerland which is a center-right country), and outside of the arts industries, is probably bare minimum of lib-center, and probably most likely to be at least fiscally conservative, if not socially as well. Those kind of people are more concerned with maintaining their financial position than the issues plaguing the income classes that the individual has graduated out of.

I don’t think you’re going to find many CEOs that aren’t at least a little right of center or self serving in their business interests.

Getting to the top 1% income bracket is a lot easier than maintaining that financial position.

[-] TypicalHog@lemm.ee 8 points 22 hours ago* (last edited 22 hours ago)

LMAO! This is the type of person who would leave Steam if Gabe endorsed Trump.

[-] TommySoda@lemmy.world 12 points 1 day ago

God damnit I literally just got Proton going like 4 days ago.

[-] tisktisk@piefed.social 6 points 22 hours ago

Can we stop stooping to their level and quit the 'fascist' rhetoric. How can ppl like OP not recognize they revel in anyone antagonizing with the absurd 'fascist'. All the mud-slinging is exactly how all this got so messed up so quickly

Also who's going to mailbox with me?

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[-] JackAttack@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 23 hours ago

Ive been using proton for a little more than a year now and I think that the service is one of the best out there. That, and their privacy guides in their blog are great as well. I think abandoning ship this early isn't really a need. I've abondonded things like Plex for jellyfin due to Plex starting to feel very commerical. As others have pointed out, the governing of the company may keep one individuals views from interfering with the products. With that said, if your beliefs swing opposite, i see how it can leave a bad taste and make it worth keeping an eye on the direction of the company.

[-] zdhzm2pgp@lemmy.ml 10 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

You could look at infomaniak, but I didn't have the best experience trying out (or even getting started with) their services. Finding a provider that has all of Proton's apps is going to be tough (or at least it was from me while I was looking to escape from Tuta). Good luck, tho.

EDIT: Infomaniak is on F-Droid!

[-] zqps@sh.itjust.works 5 points 21 hours ago

Escape from Tuta for what reason if you're willing to share? I see it recommended a lot.

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[-] Kyrgizion@lemmy.world 9 points 1 day ago

I was mulling moving everything from Google to Proton. Guess I'll keep my money for now.

[-] cyberpunk007@lemmy.ca 9 points 1 day ago

Uhg. How much longer until it's more viable to self host...

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