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submitted 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) by ShotDonkey@lemmy.world to c/privacy@lemmy.ml

In an unexpected mask off "secure" email and VPN provider Proton took the stance of siding with the fascist MAGA Reps. Proton's services are no option for me and many others any longer. Let's collect and discuss alternatives (E2E encrypted email and VPN) here 🔐👇

Always try to provide:

-Server location (jurisdiction)

-Governance

-Integrity/trustworthiness/transparency

-User experience/ease of use (grade 1 to 10, lets take Proton as a benchmark with an 8)

-Pricing and links

If you know alternative setups, feel free to share, too.

#ProtonExodus

Background: https://lemmy.ca/comment/13913116

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[-] jagged_circle@feddit.nl 9 points 2 months ago

I've been very happy with disroot.org, but you have to do your own encryption (I use Thunderbird).

I think I pay $10 per year for 5 GB, but they have a free plan.

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[-] JackAttack@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 2 months ago

Ive been using proton for a little more than a year now and I think that the service is one of the best out there. That, and their privacy guides in their blog are great as well. I think abandoning ship this early isn't really a need. I've abondonded things like Plex for jellyfin due to Plex starting to feel very commerical. As others have pointed out, the governing of the company may keep one individuals views from interfering with the products. With that said, if your beliefs swing opposite, i see how it can leave a bad taste and make it worth keeping an eye on the direction of the company.

[-] Horsey@lemmy.world 8 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

In all seriousness, I genuinely feel like the demographics of those making over 250K/year outside of Silicon Valley (proton is from Switzerland which is a center-right country), and outside of the arts industries, is probably bare minimum of lib-center, and probably most likely to be at least fiscally conservative, if not socially as well. Those kind of people are more concerned with maintaining their financial position than the issues plaguing the income classes that the individual has graduated out of.

I don’t think you’re going to find many CEOs that aren’t at least a little right of center or self serving in their business interests.

Getting to the top 1% income bracket is a lot easier than maintaining that financial position.

[-] TypicalHog@lemm.ee 8 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

LMAO! This is the type of person who would leave Steam if Gabe endorsed Trump.

[-] Roopappy@lemmy.world 8 points 2 months ago

I've been doing research into this because I want to degoogle. Looking for hosted and secure Mail, Calendar, Drive... maybe docs if possible. I don't mind paying as long as I'm a customer and not a product to be sold.

My short list was: Mailbox.org, Zoho, and Notion.

Then there are the services I don't understand as much because I don't really want to self host or step into server maintenance... NextCloud, OwnCloud, LibreCloud, OnlyOffice. Maybe someone could straighten me out with those if I'm off base.

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[-] DarkFuture@lemmy.world 7 points 2 months ago

Been super happy with NordVPN for years.

People will complain about them advertising on YouTube. Why would I care about that? Companies advertise.

People will complain about them not having port forwarding. This doesn't matter for the majority of VPN users. If it does, use a different one.

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[-] gencha@lemm.ee 7 points 2 months ago

This reads like an angry response to what Proton has been doing very recently.

Take a moment to reflect how you started to use their services. Really think about what you thought at the time about them being the right service for your needs.

Did anything really change for you, other than thinking your porn download history is now as safe as Nazi gold in Switzerland?

Take the next step, and don't look back.

[-] tomatol@lemm.ee 7 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Thanks for this post. Any alternatives for Drive specifically?? Including self-hosted options

[-] xnx@slrpnk.net 7 points 2 months ago

Immich if you want really good photo backup. Nextcloud if you want a full Drive replacement

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[-] chloroken@lemmy.ml 7 points 2 months ago

I personally don't care. If their code changes, I'm out, but this shit is par for course. Capitalists are largely all capable of these decisions.

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[-] bobbyfiend@lemmy.ml 6 points 2 months ago

I have been on Opalstack since they started. I like them. I pay for hosting monthly. I've self-hosted several apps there (or tried to, sometimes; I couldn't make everything work all the time). Nextcloud is dodgy; I like it, but it's a pain in the ass for someone like me (not a dev, not a coder) to deal with the almost inevitable problems every 2 or 3 times I need to upgrade. And I've never been able to get an office suite working well. Much of this could be because I'm trying to run NC on shared hosting; even opalstack's support doesn't fix all of that.

Email: opalstack has email. I use it. I don't actually know what service it is, but I have three or four mailboxes linked to a couple of domain names I own, and several hundred email addresses* Thunderbird does great with IMAP on my laptop, desktop, and phone, with opalstack as the server.

*lots of emails because when I sign up for something I create a new email address just in case they sell my stuff and I start to get spam.

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[-] derbolle@lemmy.world 6 points 2 months ago

i wanted to move my google stuff to Proton this year as a Backup for my self hosted stuff. Shame, seems like I need to put a little more time into managing my self hosted stuff

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[-] KingThrillgore@lemmy.ml 6 points 2 months ago

I swear by Njalla, which is run by Peter Sunde

[-] tisktisk@piefed.social 6 points 2 months ago

Can we stop stooping to their level and quit the 'fascist' rhetoric. How can ppl like OP not recognize they revel in anyone antagonizing with the absurd 'fascist'. All the mud-slinging is exactly how all this got so messed up so quickly

Also who's going to mailbox with me?

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