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[-] UltraGiGaGigantic@lemmy.ml 40 points 6 days ago

Advertising is hateful content. Ban the entire marketing industry now please.

[-] Doomsider@lemmy.world 17 points 6 days ago

The majority of advertising we see in the US should be banned for sure. It is just thinly veiled psychological fuckery designed to manipulate us. Not cool.

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[-] ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world 45 points 6 days ago

Censorship or not, tolerance is a social contract, and those who want to undo this system must be stopped by any means possible. Content moderation is actually the compromise.

That depends on who's doing the moderation. If it's a government entity, that's censorship, and the only time I'm willing to accept it is if it's somehow actively harmful (i.e. terrorist plots and whatnot). If it's merely disgusting, that's for private entities to work out, and private entities absolutely have the right to moderate content they host however they choose.

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[-] SorteKanin@feddit.dk 28 points 6 days ago

I mean it is censorship. But not all censorship is bad.

[-] A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world 13 points 6 days ago

There will be no protection under the social contract for those who wish to violate it.

[-] Zementid@feddit.nl 15 points 6 days ago

Suddenly they care. One dead CEao and a bunch of whiny scared Billionaires is enough to stop 10 years of hateful content. Interesting lesson right there. Censorship is only good if it protects the rich.

[-] rimjob_rainer@discuss.tchncs.de 7 points 5 days ago

Some might argue that calling what happens in Gaza a genocide might be hate speach against Israel, and it should be censored. So who decides what is "hate" and what is not?

[-] timmy_dean_sausage@lemmy.world 6 points 5 days ago

In your example, there is clear, observable evidence of genocide occurring. They are killing civilians and demolishing critical civilian infrastructure. So, saying Israel is committing genocide has a certain amount of truth/accuracy in it, and the intent isn't to smear Israel, it's to point out what they are actively doing, while the world is receiving constant updates. In other words, there is objective evidence behind the claims.

Hate speech is the opposite. It has no objective evidence behind it, and the intent is to make specific people/groups look a certain way. We can typically infer the intent of hate speech by the words they choose to use, and the way they frame their "argument". We employ critical thinking to do this. This process can also be peer reviewed for further accuracy.

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[-] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 2 points 4 days ago

Some might argue that calling what happens in Gaza a genocide might be hate speach against Israel

Pax­ton Wins Major Case Defend­ing Texas’s Anti-Boy­cott-of-Israel Law

“Texas’s anti-boycott law is both constitutional and, unfortunately, increasingly necessary as the radical left becomes increasingly hostile and antagonistic toward Israel,” said Attorney General Paxton. “Though some wish to get rid of the law and see Israel fail, the State of Texas will remain firm in our commitment to stand with Israel by refusing to do business with companies that boycott the only democratic nation in the Middle East. In this case, I’m pleased to see the court recognize that the plaintiff lacked any standing to bring this challenge. Thus, our important law remains in effect, and I will continue to defend it relentlessly.”

[-] dx1@lemmy.world 12 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

Who decides when the content is "hateful"? The perpetrators of genocide characterize themselves as marginalized and their victims as a force seeking to eradicate them. That is the problem with censorship. Those are the people who end up with the control of speech. You end up with an Orwellian inversion of concepts like hateful speech for the exact reason that they can be weaponized for profit and power.

You show me which fascist government is going to censor the fascists living under it. It's a paradox. They will not. They will censor the resistance.

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[-] HawlSera@lemm.ee 12 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

If in a work of fiction I have a villain call my hero the n-word to demonstrate that the villain is an unapologetic racist, and I am told that I can't have that because the word is bad in and of itself and that racist behavior cannot be tolerated even in fiction..

That is censorship, even if your goals are noble they are also ignorant, as showing disgusting things in fiction is often done in order to condemn similar behavior in real life.

If you call a black person the n-word in real life, and he stomps your ass.

This isn't censorship, this is comedy.

If one goes onto an online community and calls its members radical insults in an unfriendly clearly non-joking hostile manner. Then the guilty party should be removed from that community,

[-] MonkderVierte@lemmy.ml 18 points 6 days ago

Yes, but just deleting without comment, as if it never existed, isn't the solution either.

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[-] cupcakezealot 15 points 6 days ago

a belief held by most reasonable people and only opposed by Nazis

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[-] Shardikprime@lemmy.world 10 points 6 days ago

Here on Lemmy, people who claim to advocate for freedom of speech and information, demanding for social networks to be shutdown and people to be censored based on unknown and ambiguous criteria, without even understanding the implications of it.

Details at six

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[-] Fedditor385@lemmy.world 5 points 5 days ago

It IS censorship and they should stop saying it isn't, but they should clearly say "we will censor X because Y" and be transparent about it. Censorship where the majority of population agrees with it is still censorship, but approved and accepted for the greater good.

Now, the question is what does "hateful" mean? And where does "hateful" start and begin? Is saying "I hate my neighbour" and "I hate Nazis" the same? Is "I hate gay people" and "I hate Manchester United" the same? Why not focus on violence instead of hate. We should have the freedom to hate (hear me out...) but in the end it is a feeling and a preference and no censorship will change that. What should be prevented at all costs however, is violent content. People can love or hate whoever, but they shouldn't be allowed to call upon any type of violence towards them.

Someone hating someone doesn't change a thing, but someone calling for attacks against someone - this is a whole new dimension and deserves total censorship.

[-] leftytighty@slrpnk.net 4 points 5 days ago

Censorship isn't policing people's feelings, you're allowed to hate. Why should you be allowed to express hate, and make those people feel unwelcome?

Your questions are also not as morally grey as you think. Manchester United isn't hated for a core part of their being, they're not victims of violence, they're not a class of person who has been enslaved or erased or mistreated throughout their existence.

Individual freedom needs to take a back seat to collective freedom, and the freedom to self expression, identity, and well being for all. Freedom to oppress isn't freedom. Nobody is free unless we're all free.

[-] Fedditor385@lemmy.world 1 points 9 hours ago

Well, I partly agree. Collective freedom does come before personal freedom. But, not everyone hates just because of the "being". For ex. a lot of refugees in Germany are hated not because they are from middle east, not because they are islamic, but for the sole reason that they are abusing the welfare system. They get free social apartments with monthly allowance that is higher than some peoples pensions, from which they still need to pay their apartment. It's not hate because of what they are, but because of what they do. And that is ok, because we hate pedophiles not because of the person, but because what they do or did in the past. Also, there is no freedom from feeling offended and unwelcome. It is a feedback. A boy can feel unwelcome in a girls locker room, no problem there really. Feeling unwelcome probably has some reason behind it. You either should not be there, or you should be or not be doing something.

[-] leftytighty@slrpnk.net 1 points 9 hours ago

Although you have the start of a point here all you've done is stereotype a class of people. Hate people that abuse welfare, whether immigrant or not.

I hate welfare abusers -> some immigrants are welfare abusers -> I hate immigrants as a class of person

That's not rational

[-] Mushroomm@sh.itjust.works 6 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

It's simple. If your rights infringe on my rights, and there is no way for me to avoid the "you", whatever it may be at the moment, it should be regulated.

Go ahead and hate gays, but on a multicultural/multi-national platform that over a 3rd of the population use, you shouldn't be allowed to project that because it makes gay people feel unsafe. It infringes on their humanity.

Just because a group is immune to the intricacies of this, re: straight and white, shouldn't be a license for them to say and do whatever they want.

Try a group of gay people against straights, see how long that group lasts. Why the double meaning

[-] big_fat_fluffy@leminal.space 9 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

Well it depends on the definition of censor.

If you define censor as, "to suppress or delete as objectionable" (Webster) then it fits just fine.

[-] surph_ninja@lemmy.world 10 points 6 days ago

He just wants more censorship. They will ban “hateful” content, and then reclassify anything they don’t like as hateful. We’re already seeing a number of platforms and institutions labeling criticism of Israel as hate speech.

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