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Tencent says it's not a Chinese military company and is willing to sue the US Department of Defense if it isn't removed from a blacklist (www.pcgamer.com)

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[-] NineMileTower@lemmy.world 256 points 3 months ago

Here's a list of websites China bans:

Google
YouTube
Facebook
Yahoo
Wikipedia
Marxists Internet Archive
Reddit
Fandom
Netflix
Zoom
Blogspot
Bing
Instagram
WhatsApp
Twitch
Roblox
Steam Store
Steam Community
Spotify
Messenger
X
LinkedIn
Skype
Tumblr
Pinterest
SoundCloud
Signal Private Messenger
Dropbox
Pornhub
XVideos
Medium
Dailymotion
BBC
The New York Times
Vimeo
The Guardian
SlideShare
Discord
DeviantArt
The Washington Post
Nico Video
Archive.org (Internet Archive)
Bloomberg
Flickr
Wretch
HuffPost
The Wall Street Journal
DuckDuckGo
Scratch
Reuters
NBC News -TIME
Canadian Broadcasting Corporation (CBC)
Australian Broadcasting Corporation (ABC)
Bandcamp
Technorati
Archive of Our Own
Viber
South China Morning Post
Plurk
The Economist
ABC
Voice of America
Radio Free Asia
NBC
PBworks
The Epoch Times
The Epoch Times (Chinese edition)
HBO
WION
Hong Kong Free Press
Apple Daily
TikTok
ChatGPT
Rockstar Games
GitHub
Hugging Face
Flipkart
Zomato
Clubhouse
Swiggy
Truth Social
National Weather Service
Kanzhongguo (English)
Kanzhongguo (Chinese)
Microsoft Copilot
Telegram
Voice of America (Chinese)
Teacher Li Is Not Your Teacher (by a famous anti-CCP Twitter poster)

[-] coaxil@lemm.ee 45 points 3 months ago

National weather service???

[-] ByteOnBikes@slrpnk.net 39 points 3 months ago

(tin foil hat)

The government... They control the weather information... Satellites... Weather machines... Snorts cocaine we can't trust them we need to trust our eyes...

[-] InternetCitizen2@lemmy.world 37 points 3 months ago

I'm sorry but you know too much. Come with me.

[-] AceFuzzLord@lemm.ee 44 points 3 months ago

Basically any site that they don't have full control over/can't buy favor from and has the ability to spread info they dislike, even if it's something as simple as 2+2=4".

And if you're looking for someone outside of China to blame for their internet shield, Cisco was responsible for helping them set it up.

[-] wax@feddit.nu 10 points 3 months ago

And then Huawei allegedly stole Cisco's IP? Ah, the irony

[-] postmateDumbass@lemmy.world 32 points 3 months ago

Xhamster slides in undetected...

[-] InternetCitizen2@lemmy.world 36 points 3 months ago

That's more freedom than Texas

[-] im_at_work_mom@lemmy.world 27 points 3 months ago

.ml Intensifies

[-] fuckingkangaroos@lemm.ee 17 points 3 months ago

I came into this thread just to downvote their lies.

[-] prole 10 points 3 months ago

Yeah didn't even get to number 7 on the list before hitting a Marxist resource. Uh oh...

[-] Carrolade@lemmy.world 18 points 3 months ago

Uh ... why SCMP? Isn't that a party-friendly newspaper anyway?

[-] OsrsNeedsF2P@lemmy.ml 11 points 3 months ago

SCMP is critical of China, but they do soften the blow

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[-] Pxtl@lemmy.ca 12 points 3 months ago

Fair point, but that means the ban should be coming from Department of Commerce, not the DoD.

Don't try to come up with bullshit excuses about espionage.

"We're banning these private-business Chinese websites because China bans our private-business websites and that's anti-competitive".

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[-] pennomi@lemmy.world 173 points 3 months ago

Of course it’s not a military company, it’s an espionage company.

[-] SolacefromSilence@fedia.io 13 points 3 months ago

Next you'll tell me all those cheap Chinese routers would allow our very telecommunications infrastructure to be hacked unless we're using end-to-end encryption.

https://www.politico.com/news/2024/12/27/chinese-hackers-telco-access-00196082

[-] AngryRobot@lemmy.world 90 points 3 months ago

Every fucking Chinese company is required to be an arm of their government and provide them with any information they request. It's not even a question, they are an arm of the Chinese government. They can get fucked

[-] john89@lemmy.ca 92 points 3 months ago

Same goes for US companies.

Have we learned nothing from Snowden?

[-] prole 34 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Yeah it is similar, but not the same (at least not yet).

China is a one-party state, and the government has control over private enterprise. If you are a Chinese company, the PRC ultimately has control of it, and that means the Chinese military has access to anything you have access to, if they want it.

This is on a different level than anything Snowden released.

Edit: For people who think I mean "party" like US political parties: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One-party_state#Current_one-party_states

[-] AntiOutsideAktion@lemmy.ml 33 points 3 months ago

This is on a different level than anything Snowden released.

Snowden released the fact that the major internet companies in the US literally have full time CIA staff and locked rooms with servers

Why is this on a different level? Is it because they're ASIANS?

[-] finitebanjo@lemmy.world 17 points 3 months ago

That Snowden releasing the facts and it being brought up in courts, state congress, and federal congress as well as national news all revolved around it being illegal in the USA.

In the PRC it's only illegal to talk about it.

[-] bilb@lem.monster 11 points 3 months ago

That Snowden releasing the facts and it being brought up in courts, state congress, and federal congress as well as national news all revolved around it being illegal in the USA.

Did it stop?

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[-] fibojoly@sh.itjust.works 13 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

China is a one-party state

I wish you could realise how hilarious it is to read someone comparing the US and China on their number of political parties...

[-] prole 18 points 3 months ago

Oh? So you are saying that there are no functional difference between a federation of 50 states, each with individual (somewhat independent) local and state governments, and the authoritarian CCP?

When I say "China is a one-party state," I'm not referring to political parties as we would understand them in the US (Democrat/Republican). I am referring to the actual structure of the government.

You might want to maybe educate yourself on what a "one-party state" means in this context before trying to make snarky comments.

[-] fibojoly@sh.itjust.works 11 points 3 months ago

You're right, I'm sorry, I really should educate myself about the US beyond the 40+ years of propaganda I've had to endure and the absolutely constant, never ending stream of shit across all media I'm the grateful recipient of, thanks to the Internet™. But honestly, I'm kinda scared I'd actually die if I came to visit.

Meanwhile, my experience with China over the last ten years or so has left me regularly wondering, in the grand scheme of things, what the fucking difference is. You both are absolutely insane, from where I live.

But yes, I was totally cherry picking your message. I don't disagree with you, to be clear. I'm just amused about your choice of epithet.

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[-] roadrunnerr@lemm.ee 10 points 3 months ago

Both countries are acting in their own interests. Simple as that.

[-] themurphy@lemmy.ml 16 points 3 months ago

Imagine if that meant in the people's best interest.

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[-] randon31415@lemmy.world 42 points 3 months ago

Sues. Lawyers do discovery. Tencent refuses. Court fines Tencent in contempt, rules in favor of the government. Tencent tries to bribe Trump with something.

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[-] Gammelfisch@lemmy.world 38 points 3 months ago

I agree with the US DoD. The large Chinese corporations are owned by CCP members and former PLA officers. Contain them until the PRC implodes.

[-] finitebanjo@lemmy.world 18 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Not to mention I'm pretty sure all of their Chinese office buildings are literally in Military owned and operated land.

It would be like Google HQ being in the middle of a US military base.

EDIT: Although I do admit adjacent the Googleplex building there is a Department of Defense building like 10 minutes drive, near the airfield, but it's probably there because NASA operates on the airfield.

[-] nyan@lemmy.cafe 35 points 3 months ago

Oh my, the US military might have to change the name of the list to, "Foreign companies we're blacklisting for classified reasons". How terrible.

[-] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 34 points 3 months ago

Discovery process, you say?

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[-] CaptainBasculin@lemmy.ml 18 points 3 months ago

Keep it a note that having them listed as a Chinese military company could let US put pressure against open source groups to not collaborate with them; very similar to how US forced Linux Foundation to kick off decade old russian collaborators.

[-] Eldritch@lemmy.world 18 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

That's a bad mischaracterization. You cannot force someone to do something voluntarily . Torvald spoke in support of it. I'm sure many governments and groups using the Linux kernel and open source want Developers that are vetted. Or can be reasonably sure won't be forced to act maliciously under duress.

[-] tekato@lemmy.world 10 points 3 months ago

It is not a mischaracterization though. Open source projects can be forced to stop accepting contributions from employees of sanctioned companies, which would include Tencent employees if sanctioned. Anyways, Tencent is not being sanctioned here, so I guess it doesn’t really matter.

Also, Linus was definitely forced to kick the Russian maintainers out by USA sanctions.

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[-] cupcakezealot 13 points 3 months ago

almost as if it's never been about security but about sinophobia

[-] finitebanjo@lemmy.world 29 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Lol

I respect the Chinese people, their modern advancements in science and technology, their industry, their customs, and their rich history and culture.

I do not respect a hostile dictatorship that rules over them all, and if they were smart they would not, either.

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[-] SynonymousStoat@lemmy.world 12 points 3 months ago

Cool, can we make the divest from American game studios now?

[-] Juigi@lemm.ee 12 points 3 months ago

Isn't every chinese company part of CCP

[-] Kerred@lemmy.world 13 points 3 months ago

"all right Tencent, make a game where you play as Tank man defending the innocent at Tiannanmen Square please"

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[-] postmateDumbass@lemmy.world 9 points 3 months ago

The DoD will pay its fines 500#s at a time.

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