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submitted 3 days ago by weeeeum@lemmy.world to c/asklemmy@lemmy.ml

I've become the tech guy, and family are extremely entitled to my services. My mom especially. BTW I can't cut her out, because I still live with her and she EXPECTS me to fix anything computer related. She won't take no for an answer.

I've tried to keep track of her passwords with a password manager, I've spent literally 8 hours in a single day filling out captchas and replacing passwords, and I've spent even more time trying to teach my mom how to use the manager.

She CAN'T learn it, and always makes a new password, which she doesnt keep track of and expects me to fix it. What the hell do it do? She uses firefox, with auto refill on, but it doesn't autofill on her iphone.

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[-] SmoothLiquidation@lemmy.world 12 points 3 days ago

I have my 80+ year old mom using Bitwarden. She has some issues creating new logins but for the most part it is working great on her desktop and her iPhone.

I have her pointed at my own Vaultwarden server and I know her master password if I really need to get in.

[-] smiletolerantly@awful.systems 3 points 2 days ago

Yeah. Everytime I'm for a visit, I have to show my mom again how to copy/paste things, access files on her USB drive, where to click to do an update,...

But she loves Bitwarden. Has been app consistent in using random passwords for logins, both on desktop and mobile.

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[-] retrieval4558@mander.xyz 6 points 3 days ago

Apologies if it's been mentioned already, but since most sites require access to the account email to reset the password, could you set up a filter in the email that forwards to you then deletes any email that has like "password reset" "account recovery" or other common variations in the subject?

[-] HappyTimeHarry@lemm.ee 3 points 2 days ago

Can't you setup whatever manager to autofill the password?

[-] Bronzebeard@lemm.ee 1 points 2 days ago

Not every website is set up properly to allow that to work seamlessly.

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[-] Tehhund@lemmy.world 12 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

My wife is like this. I just set her up with Chrome's password manager despite the fact that I'm a Firefox and Bitwarden user. Works in Chrome, on Android, and on iOS - she doesn't have to use Chrome on iOS, you just have to install Chrome and set it as the iOS password manager and it still works with all apps and Safari. She doesn't care if Google has her whole life on file and I'm not paid enough to care for her.

[-] Brkdncr@lemmy.world 10 points 3 days ago

Take the phone and “work” on it for a few hours, hand it back still not working.

“I don’t know, we tried this before and just can’t get it to work again.”

[-] r0ertel@lemmy.world 4 points 2 days ago

Have a conversation and listen to her. I'm guessing that her behaviors are driven by an emotion. Maybe she's overwhelmed by the complexity. Most people who say that they don't care about security actually prioritize ease of use over security. Unfortunately good security can be hard.

If/when you speak to her, don't try to solve her problems during that conversation. Meet her where she's at and empathize with her. When she's done, you get to express your concerns and see her reacting. I'm guessing that you're concerned that she is putting her finances at risk. Explain your concern to her.

Once you both come to a shared understanding, then you can come with some ideas for her to react to. Again, dig deep into her concerns, talking through them. You're going to need to let some things go. It's her life and her money and you'll be there to help in a nonjudgemental way if anything bad happens and then you can have another conversation after the dust has settled.

I ended up with my parents having 3 passwords. One for their bank, one for their health stuff and one for everything else. The bank and health ones are long and difficult to guess, the other one is easy to remember and "good enough".

[-] RedWeasel@lemmy.world 12 points 3 days ago

Did you set Firefox as the default iPhone password manager?

[-] weeeeum@lemmy.world 6 points 3 days ago

Can you do this? I've tried setting other passwords managers as default, but it seems like with apple's fuckery, they only allow you to use the internal manager.

[-] RedWeasel@lemmy.world 7 points 3 days ago

Yeah. Go into the system settings app, Autofill and Passwords. Select only the "AUTOFILL FROM" for Firefox.

[-] neon_nova@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 3 days ago

Maybe just tell your mom that since she had changed her password, there is a 30 minutes delay before she can login.

Maybe if there are consequences things will change?

[-] dnick@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 days ago

Only option really is to show her how to reset her password. Sounds like she's already doing it, just tell her that's how you log in, you let it autofill, and if it doesn't work you click forgot password and check your email and that's how passwords work now

[-] paysrenttobirds@sh.itjust.works 6 points 3 days ago

Set "office hours" and stick to them. She can make a list of things to do. Maybe it needs to be 20 min every evening, or maybe just once or twice a week. My partner has a similar (but more minor) problem, and this has worked both increasing self-help and making the time spent more enjoyable. Though I'm sure it helps that the needy person doesn't live with us. Good luck

[-] krolden@lemmy.ml 6 points 3 days ago

Send her invoice

[-] butsbutts@lemmy.ml 5 points 3 days ago
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[-] AbouBenAdhem@lemmy.world 5 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

This isn’t great, but it’s what I ended up resorting to for my mom who refused to use any service, browser setting, or saved file:

  • Make a “master” password with upper-case characters and digits (e.g., M45T3R). Memorize it or write it down.

  • Interleave the characters with those of the domain the password is for (e.g., for google.com: gMo4o5gTl3eR). She can type the master password first, then put the cursor at the start and type each letter of the domain name hitting the right arrow after each letter.

As long as she remembered the master password, she could reconstruct the others on the fly. A human could still look at the result and figure out the pattern, but at least it protected her from automated tools.

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[-] HurlingDurling@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago

Show her it works, set boundaries, and enforce them. She cannot use you as a crutch for her inability.

If all else fails, fix it one last time, and tell her she needs to go to best buy (or whatever tech store offers tech support) for the next time and when she asks for you to fix it, just stand your ground and make her pay for someone else to deal with her shit.

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