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Dell kills the XPS brand (www.theverge.com)
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[-] BeatTakeshi@lemmy.world 23 points 1 day ago

"Dell shoots itself in the foot and will only realise in 3 years"

[-] idefix@sh.itjust.works 15 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Dear random strangers,

I have bought Thinkpad T for many years following your advice. Then I moved to Dell Latitude 3 years ago as this was your recommendation. So far, very happy with them!

Where should I go for my next laptop? Is it time for framework?

(I'm looking for 14" business laptops, excellent screen, good audio, light and solid, performance is a nice-to-have, Linux-only)

[-] john89@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Don't get a framework. It's a gimmicky waste of money.

Why exactly do you need a new laptop, anyways? Have your hardware requirements really increased that much in 3 years to warrant looking for a new device?

[-] idefix@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 day ago

While I like the general objectives behind framework, I am not convinced about their standard qualities.

My laptop is fine, I just want to understand the trends in the industry and where to buy when it eventually dies. For the record, I have a Dell Latitude 7410 released in 2020 (bought used) and it works perfectly. However, I wish I could have better audio, higher-quality trackpad, and a lighter laptop.

[-] UnfairUtan@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

Why do you say that about the framework?

[-] john89@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 day ago

Because it's overpriced. You can get better hardware for lower prices.

The framework laptop only exists to take money from people who don't know any better and want to feel 1337.

[-] paperd@lemmy.zip 17 points 1 day ago
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[-] avieshek@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)
[-] UnfairUtan@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

I would never again recommend MSI.. I bought a 3000€ MSI Creator 3 years ago for work :

  • the hinges are breaking apart
  • some metal part on the size broke
  • the keyboard letter are scraping off
  • the microphone on Linux is unusable because of the fans

Reaplcing the keyboard requires a full body replacement, which costs like 300€ 🙃

I've also had some very bad experiences with a entry price gaming msi for someone in my family.

[-] avieshek@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

It seems like every other PC Laptop has a problem whether it’s a Lenovo or Asus for example, my feedback on MSI has been good so far mostly based post-pandemic but things indeed can change if that’s your case. Do you have any preference of your own?

[-] UnfairUtan@lemmy.world 2 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago)

You're right, all manufacturers have their issues. I have a hard time finding one where you feel like it's a safe bet. Which is why I'm leaning toward framework, but the company is young and has far less experience, so it's also a risk..

[-] asudox@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

System76? They primarily sell Linux computers and also develop Pop!_OS and COSMIC DE.

https://system76.com/

[-] idefix@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 day ago

I was under the impression they were more gaming oriented than "business", am I mistaken then?

[-] avieshek@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

XPS used to be the premium gaming brand Dell released to compete with the likes of Alienware, only for them to buy Alienware and relegate XPS to high end enterprise category. Gaming only means a Nvidia GPU or proper performance but don’t fall for AI PC to Ultrabook kind of categorisations with Windows side of things - Whether you’re into LLM, Content Generation, Data Processing, Blender, Editing, Gaming or even Mining… all will be achieved as long as the CPU-GPU is capable. Razer is one example that copies MacBook Pro aesthetics while having RGBs to cater to both professionals and gamers with one product line but aren’t necessarily with good or respectable after sales service.

I would’ve suggested Asus ROG as well like the G14 for price-to-performance ratio but they’ve been recently falling from grace as well mostly realised by users after the purchase is complete. Not many options are there really globally.

[-] teohhanhui@lemmy.world 10 points 1 day ago
[-] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 130 points 2 days ago

Weird, isn’t that the only Dell brand people view as worth having?

[-] MeekerThanBeaker@lemmy.world 41 points 2 days ago

As an IT guy, recent (past five years) XPS laptops we gave to execs were pretty bad. Smaller, yes, but I found the Latitudes were better in terms of build quality. It is a small sample size though as most execs preferred MacBooks.

[-] AtariDump@lemmy.world 25 points 2 days ago

Latitude is superior to the XPS line for business.

And man did they have a bad run of XPS’s there for a while with their batteries swelling up.

[-] Cowboy_Dude@lemmy.ml 17 points 2 days ago

I worked in IT and those latitudes were no exception in my experience. Earlier models were good but we had to replace so many e7000 series batteries bulging out the bottom.

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[-] kalleboo@lemmy.world 40 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

replacing them with three main product lines: Dell (yes, just Dell), Dell Pro, and Dell Pro Max.

PC/Android companies not trying to blatantly rip off Apple challenge: Impossible

[-] SushiRain@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago

Calling a product the same as your brand is like calling a movie "The". Good luck finding it online.

[-] Clbull@lemmy.world 8 points 1 day ago

I still remember when XPS was the premiere gaming brand Dell released to compete with the likes of Alienware, only for them to buy Alienware and relegate XPS to a higher budget multimedia catalog.

The names outstayed their welcome, but I cannot applaud them copying Apple's homework.

[-] ours@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

I was going to joke Dell killed XPS a long, long time ago already.

[-] ipkpjersi@lemmy.ml 13 points 2 days ago

Well that sucks. I haven't bought an XPS since the Dell XPS 15z like over a decade ago, but still, the idea that I could buy an XPS Developer Edition laptop and have it be Linux compatible without having to think about it was nice. Now I'm limited to ThinkPads and System76 plus whatever other compatible Clevos there are or maybe a Framework, which I guess is fine since I do own multiple ThinkPads.

Still, really weird decision.

[-] CoopaLoopa@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 1 day ago

They're not actually getting rid of the XPS line, they're just changing the naming convention.

Any of the new Dell models with 'Premium' in the name are going to be the same as the Dell XPS line.

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[-] FireWire400@lemmy.world 22 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

The latest XPS laptops really seem like they wanted to copy MacBook Pros from a few years ago with the touch function keys and the barren I/O.

I never really understood the purpose of the XPS line anyway. If you want performance, buy a Precision; if you want a light robust laptop with decent I/O, get a Latitude; if you want a MacBook, get a MacBook.

With that being said the new naming scheme feels like a joke. What's wrong with recognisable model names?

[-] rumba@lemmy.zip 5 points 1 day ago

I never really understood the purpose of the XPS line anyway. I

IMHO

Software development and Media work that can benefit from normal consumer video acceleration. They are a lot cheaper than the Precision line and for non-cad/AI tasks and generally outpreform them. The XPS cases are more durable than the latitude and they come with better options for processors and video cards.

From a business standpoint, they were the best option if you needed a normal video accelerator.

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[-] flamingo_pinyata@sopuli.xyz 75 points 2 days ago

Better headline: Dell kills all brands

Given that Dell has lost most of it's old reputation in the last couple of years, not surprising that radical moves were taken. Trying to navigate Dells product range was a quick way to get a headache.

[-] avieshek@lemmy.world 21 points 2 days ago

It seems like the higher ups doesn’t care or even feel like it, they just want to be Apple… first the possibly even worse version of Touchbar and now this^

[-] AnAmericanPotato@programming.dev 31 points 2 days ago

They're like 20 years too late to start copying Apple here. Apple had their shit together with their product line for a good while after Steve Jobs returned and eliminated the absolute insanity of Apple's mid-90s lineup, which had at least three times more models than any sane person would find useful.

But recently, Apple went off the deep end. Boggles the mind that "Pro Max" ever made it past the brain-mouth barrier in a boardroom, let alone into an official product lineup.

[-] flamingo_pinyata@sopuli.xyz 28 points 2 days ago

Every company's lineup these days:

Pro > Pro Max > Pro Max Ultra > Pro Max Ultra Black Edition

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[-] JustTesting@lemmy.hogru.ch 23 points 2 days ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

The newest generation of xps i shit anyways, good riddance.

i was really happy with my 2019ish xps. But the 2024 one is hot garbage. not just that it arrived with the keyboard not working and Dell taking 3 months to replace it. There's a total of 2 usb-c ports on it. That's all the connectors, yes. No, no headphone jack either. And one of those two is taken up with charging, so i'm left with one port if i dont use a dockingstation.

the whole function bar is touch now. you need to hit it 3 times for it to react, who needs Esc anyways. Unless you want to type in the number row, then the function row will pick up random key presses sometimes.

Copilot key no one asked for. Power button is just an unlabelled piece of plastic that looks like filler, not a button. Keyboard sucks in general, too little space between keys, you're bound to mistype.

linux support is ok, though webcam doesn't work in firefox, hibernate doesn't work, every few weeks it'll just freeze. But otherwise acceptable.

definitely my last dell, i really hate it.

[Edit] Oh and I forgot the best part, when the dell repairman finally repaired it after 3 months, he said "oh a new XPS? Yeah, those suck, every customer hates them especially for software development"

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[-] GreenKnight23@lemmy.world 40 points 2 days ago

what the fuck?

why kill your best brand?

ohhh...because you outsourced your entire product development teams to "offshore units" and haven't innovated since 2015.

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[-] clutchtwopointzero@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

What would be the Dell option for a conservatively styled laptop that has a GeForce RTX GPU?

Seems that Dell is pushing to their Alienware line but their laptops are just ugly

[-] avidamoeba@lemmy.ca 49 points 2 days ago

Weird. I thought XPS was a pretty well known brand.

[-] avieshek@lemmy.world 26 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Stupid higher up decisions, remember HBO?

[-] Opisek@lemmy.world 20 points 2 days ago

I'd like people to actually read the article before commenting. They are renaming their laptops. They'll continue producing what would've been XPS.

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[-] dan@upvote.au 43 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

simplified naming scheme with labels like ‘Pro’ and ‘Max.’

How is that "simplified"? Which one is better, Pro or Max?

Actual simplified naming would probably be names like "Basic", "Business", "Gaming", or numbers like what Intel does with Core 3/5/7/9.

[-] illi@lemm.ee 30 points 2 days ago

Which one is better, Pro or Max?

Dell Pro Max Plus, obviously.

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[-] eodur@lemmy.world 9 points 2 days ago

I guess it streamlines the naming a little bit, but it sounds like the mapping of the hardware to the names is still a mess. I've used XPS laptops for years, but had already decided my next would be a Framework. This just reinforces that decision.

[-] Mwa@lemm.ee 10 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

I remember the XPS Was "Ubuntu Certified" thats what i think when i first see the Laptop.

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[-] garretble@lemmy.world 37 points 2 days ago

AMD now has "Max" chips and Dell now has "Pro" and "Max" laptops.

Everyone copying Apple.

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[-] cygnus@lemmy.ca 28 points 2 days ago

Wait, "Dell Pro max" isn't a joke? Or at least not an intentional one?

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[-] phoneymouse@lemmy.world 16 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Yes, I’ll take one Dell Pro Max Premium please. Heck, while we’re it, please make it a Dell Pro Max Premium Ultra Deluxe with Extra Sprinkles.

[-] eager_eagle@lemmy.world 22 points 2 days ago

In the future, it means we can also expect product names like Dell Pro Max Plus.

oh I can't wait for 2030 to get my new Dell Pro Max Plus Most Biz VIP Tip Top Rizz

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[-] naeap@sopuli.xyz 18 points 2 days ago

There are actually people getting paid for this shit

Are they just sitting in a group in multiple meetings to brainstorm new names for stuff?

And I thought just managers are parasites...

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[-] bitjunkie@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

Why the fuck did it even take them that long? Alienware acquisition was in 2006.

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