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[-] dance_ninja@lemmy.world 51 points 3 weeks ago

Sharaa said Syria needed to rebuild its legal system and would have to hold a comprehensive population census to run legitimate elections.

A country with infrastructure torn up by war and people displaced from their homes. Sounds like a legitimate reason, but we'll see how things play out.

[-] weeeeum@lemmy.world 31 points 3 weeks ago

Running free elections are hard, especially when a lot of foreign countries have a lot to gain from rigging it (primarily Iran and russia). They need some time.

[-] technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Gotta be brainwashed AF to think russia/iran have more at stake or more to rig than usa/turkey/zionists. Who would even say such a silly thing? Two sides of the exact same coin.

[-] etuomaala@sopuli.xyz 1 points 2 weeks ago

sigh Fucking Russia ruining everything.

—Democracy doesn't work!

—Yes it does.

breaks the democracy

—See? Democracy doesn't work.

Really, those two empires can't fail soon enough.

[-] technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 2 weeks ago

Best case scenario: These peeps get a modern government vastly superior to our slavemaster system.

Worst case scenario: See Libya, Afghanistan, Iraq, North Korea, and every other place that imperialism has constantly attacked.

[-] etuomaala@sopuli.xyz 1 points 2 weeks ago

Where do you live?

[-] john89@lemmy.ca 8 points 3 weeks ago

Honestly, for a bit, it's probably best they rely on a more tribal mentality before they decide how to centralize power.

[-] jonne@infosec.pub 6 points 3 weeks ago

Oh look at that, the West toppling a dictator and replacing it with something that's somehow worse. Those elections are never happening and the civil war will continue. It's Libya all over again.

[-] CarbonIceDragon@pawb.social 33 points 3 weeks ago

I mean, it's kinda early to say that elections are never happening when the previous government has only just fallen.

[-] jonne@infosec.pub 6 points 3 weeks ago

We'll see in 4 years then if the strategy of giving the most extreme groups money and weapons will have a different result this time. If only there were past examples we could learn from.

[-] drdiddlybadger@pawb.social 31 points 3 weeks ago

They have a legitimate point. It's not possible, or even feasible to run elections without a functional legal system, a census, and even laying the ground work of the government that is supposed to be there. Give them time before letting the doom settle in.

[-] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 3 points 3 weeks ago

To add to your point, it's worth noting that about half of all Syrians in the world live outside of Syria, and many of those will be returning home over the next few years, so even demographically speaking it's impossible to create a parliament in the current stage.

[-] Limitless_screaming@kbin.earth 13 points 3 weeks ago

something that's somehow worse

That's a very big claim. It'd take more than just a dictatorship to be worse than Ba'thist rule.

[-] wandermind@sopuli.xyz 8 points 3 weeks ago

If a country has to live under a dictatorship anyway, I will definitely prefer the dictator in power being toppled even every month, rather than a single dictator being able to consolidate their power and terror.

[-] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 1 points 3 weeks ago

This logic only checks out when you have a malevolent dictator in charge (which Assad was). A benevolent or neutral (in the sense that they'll generally do their job as a ruler) dictator is better than absolute chaos, which is why people like Putin and Xi Jinping are loved by their peoples (as much as we don't like to admit it, it's true; they're both popular in their respective countries). Democracy is nice to have, but people will take a dictator who'll keep a roof over their heads over a weak or nonexistent government 10 times out of 10.

[-] etuomaala@sopuli.xyz 1 points 2 weeks ago

What western country helped HTS defeat Assad?

[-] technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 weeks ago

Quite a variety of imperial forces: USA, Turkey, Zios, etc.

[-] etuomaala@sopuli.xyz 1 points 2 weeks ago

And how did they help?

[-] SaltySalamander@fedia.io 1 points 2 weeks ago

Basically all of the major players.

[-] ShinkanTrain@lemmy.ml 5 points 3 weeks ago

Time to fund a dictatorship to topple the dictatorship you funded to topple a dictatorship you funded to topple the dictatorship you funded to topple a dictatorship you funded to topple a dictatorship you funded to topple a dictatorship you funded to topple a dictatorship you funded to topple a dictatorship you funded

[-] etuomaala@sopuli.xyz 1 points 2 weeks ago

Who is funding HTS?

[-] SparrowHawk@feddit.it 2 points 3 weeks ago

The DAANES model is the best hope for a new world, i hope they are listened to

[-] etuomaala@sopuli.xyz 1 points 2 weeks ago

I did a cursory web search for DAANES and came up with nothing. What do you mean by it?

[-] technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Democratic Autonomous Administration of North and East Syria

Forgotten Fronts: Making a case for DAANES governance

(I just read about this now too so no strong opinion.)

[-] SparrowHawk@feddit.it 1 points 2 weeks ago

That surprises me, as I just tried the same and came up with it instantly, anyway it's commonly referred to as "Rojava" and it stands for "Democratic Autonomous Administration of North and East Syria", a de-facto autonomous regione in northeastern Syria.

Basically it's many self governing sub regions of Syria, governing themselves following the political model of Democratic Confederalism.

https://rojavainformationcenter.org/background/key-facts/

A video from anthropologist David graeber talking about his experience in rojava: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gqfoJvD0Ifg

[-] etuomaala@sopuli.xyz 1 points 2 weeks ago

Oh, that thing. Thanks. I don't know why ddg didn't find it. It's usually pretty good. Wikipedia did find it right away. Maybe next time, I'll just skip ddg and go right to Wikipedia. Seriously, web search is becoming increasingly useless, now that powerful AI is being used to fuck with their ranking algorithms.

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