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[-] just_another_person@lemmy.world 115 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

I'd make an argument for the opposite if we're talking about the general field. The major OEMs are going head first into enshittification, while other companies are building for more open ecosystems.

For anyone looking for a list of manufacturers intentionally trying to make their hardware more compatible with open ecosystems:

  • Framework
  • System76
  • ASRock
  • Minisforum
  • Slimbook (they make the KDE branded laptop)
  • MNT
  • GL.iNet (routers only so far)
  • Penguin
  • Supermicro
  • Star Labs
  • Pine
  • Clevo

I'm sure there are others, but these are the ones that are deliberately building intentionally FOR mass compatibility, unlike HP, Dell, Lenovo, ASUS...etc.

This is not to say there aren't some models from the major manufacturer product lines that aren't widely compatible, but their main focus is not those products.

[-] Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world 33 points 1 month ago

Hmmmmm, I'll go with Clevo. Because I'm from Cleveland, and it's called Clevo. It's like the PC brand that was too drunk to spell Cleveland. Which is pretty on brand for this city.

[-] just_another_person@lemmy.world 20 points 1 month ago

They'll get an upvote just for that explanation 😂

Framework is honestly the best thing on the market right now though, gotta say.

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[-] holycrap@lemm.ee 14 points 1 month ago

My read into this is that Pine is so good it's listed twice.

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[-] Diplomjodler3@lemmy.world 12 points 1 month ago

Tuxedo Computers from Germany also make PCs specifically for Linux (you can run Windows if you really have to).

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[-] tabular@lemmy.world 10 points 1 month ago
[-] just_another_person@lemmy.world 32 points 1 month ago

ASRock servers, minipcs and mitx industrial boards are highly compatible with Linux, and it's intentional. Sometimes trailing chipset versions just to stay that way.

[-] Dark_Arc@social.packetloss.gg 6 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Interesting; I've associated them with just making cheap boards. Is that changing?

[-] just_another_person@lemmy.world 14 points 1 month ago

Lol. They are one of the few manufacturers that have made consistently solid products and components for decades. Feels like many have already jumped over to being terrible.

[-] HakFoo@lemmy.sdf.org 6 points 1 month ago

They used to make zanier products (the stuff with ULI chipsets and CPU upgrade slots) back in the 2000s when they were a lowend brand competing with ECS. The feature set between boards is less diverse these days.

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[-] wrekone@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 1 month ago

This reminds me of how I often assume a lesser known brand is a "small player" in a given industry, only to later find out that they provide parts and/or services to all of the well known brands. Kinda like Mitsubishi in the 80's. Their parts and tech were in everything but their name was mostly associated with cheap electronics and small cars.

[-] Dark_Arc@social.packetloss.gg 2 points 1 month ago

I think one of the computers in my basement is an ASRock board, and it's the flimsiest board I've ever had. Like the USB ports are really flexible.

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[-] ggtdbz@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 1 month ago

I think my home server build will eventually be based on a used Asrock industrial mainboard. I’ve heard nothing but good feedback.

I remember them being a bit of a small upstart company years ago when I started paying attention to computer stuff.

[-] just_another_person@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

They've been around since the 00s

[-] ggtdbz@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 month ago

Absolutely, but at least for the type of builds I was looking at, which were all gaming machines, Asrock kind of seemed like the more unpredictable budget option.

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[-] john89@lemmy.ca 9 points 1 month ago

I can say I'll never buy another lenovo product again.

My laptop is, of course, broken at both hinges due to ridiculously thin and cheap plastic.

This is inexcusable and only exists to make a few rich people a bit richer.

[-] ikidd@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago

Well, the rootkits were the last straw for me, a decade ago. Used to buy Lenovo religiously.

[-] JoShmoe@ani.social 3 points 1 month ago

I’ll take a star labs laptop thank you

[-] nossaquesapao@lemmy.eco.br 2 points 3 weeks ago

Thank you for the list. We have a tendency to criticize bad actors, but we forget that it's important to promote the ones going the right direction.

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[-] SnotFlickerman 33 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Can someone tell Scott that they added the driver for his laptop on November 29th? Almost a month before he made this post.

Further, from some light reading on the subject after searching around it sounds like since most stuff is moving to NVMe drives, Intel is indeed slowly removing ACHI from newer devices, which does mean you need those IRST drivers to boot and recognize disks.

I think it's less companies trying to fuck us over and a hiccup in the slow but steady adoption and adaptation of new technologies.

EDIT:

Here's the Intel Rapid Store Technology driver for the other PC he pointed out, too. This one was added in November 2023.

This seems like it's a non-issue and maybe this guy just doesn't know what the IRST acronym stands for?

Much ado about literally nothing. This is literally based on nothing but his own speculation based on his failure to find these drivers that literally exist and are available. Honestly should be removed as misinformation since both PCs he mentioned have IRST drivers available right now.

[-] Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world 12 points 1 month ago

most stuff is moving to NVMe drives,

NO!!! GOD DAMMIT, NO!!! 2.5" SSD's JUST NOW GOT CHEAP ENOUGH TO BUY!!! NO!!!! FUCK ALL THIS PLANNED OBSOLETE CRAP!!! I'm going to keep buying SSD's, and I have a whole little system. It's like NES cartridges.

I buy the big ones as the slave drives, and the little ones as the OS drives. And when I want to swap out, I just turn off my PC, swap out one hard drive for another, and pristo bingo blammo I'm on a tottally different OS.

[-] catloaf@lemm.ee 12 points 1 month ago

Okay that's totally fine, SATA ports aren't going anywhere for a while. And you can always add more via PCIe cards. Just buy regular size boards and you'll be fine.

[-] Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago

No no, I mean the drives themselves. It's already hard to find smaller drives.

Go try to find western digital blue 120gb 2.5" in new condition from a reliable seller who's going to still exist in a year, and isn't some ebay scammer.

It's already impossible to find those. I fear if they move over to NVME they won't make 4TB drives anymore in a 2.5" ssd either. And then there's the whole issue of advancing the medium to made cards LARGER than 4TB.

I got a good system set up. I do not understand why I had to mad scientist hack this thing together like this. Eventually I need a dremmel, because Dell makes their front cases stupid.

But basically, I got inspired for this by my raspberry pi. I eject the sd card, I put a new SD card in, and the hardware is a totally different purpose. It could be a pihole. It could be a retro arcade. It could be anything. And with a quick swap, it's anything else.

Well now I have that with an x86 board computer. But I need the drives to keep getting made.

[-] MIDItheKID@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago

It look like Nvme riser cables exist, so your mad scientist approach should still be doable, but you would have to continue doing mad scientist shit.

Nvme riser going to the front of the case, maybe even the top, and then get one of those rubber nipple nubs that exist for holding nvme drives in place, and bam, you can swap the drives pretty easily.

Very niche requirement, but to each their own.

You could just get one big drive and partition it to have multiple OS or whatever it is you need. Then pick which one you want to boot from when you start up. Did they get rid of that ability? I haven't messed with anything like that in years.

[-] catloaf@lemm.ee 2 points 1 month ago

2.5" drives aren't going away any time soon either, but they'll mostly be the thick server drives.

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[-] infeeeee@lemm.ee 10 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

It's the same with NVMe, what do you mean.

Have you ever opened a 2.5" sata ssd? half of the box is empty, it's just there so you can screw it to the case on the other side. I hope that form factor will die soon. We need nvme in m.2 format for everything small, and 3.5" for servers. 2.5" should disappear.

[-] Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago

2.5" should disappear.

NO! I JUST BOUGHT LIKE $600 WORTH OF DRIVES AND EQUIPMENT TO MAKE MY COMPUTER A FRONT LOADER!!! And I'm going to buy several 4TB drives in this form factor......just over the coarse of the next few years. Maybe like 10 of them in 5 years.

[-] infeeeee@lemm.ee 11 points 1 month ago

I don't said your devices will stop working, you misunderstand the whole conversation. Form factors change all time, I have here a 5.25" 8 MB HDD next to me. "Planned obsolescence" that I can't use a 30 years old component? You can hardly buy a motherboard with floppy or IDE/PATA ports. Do you also miss them?

I mean, it's expected that new devices won't have all the old ports, like USB killed all the serial and parallel and other terrible single use ports, thanks god. You can always buy dongles, like, I have IDE-USB converter so I can still use my old devices. I recently bought a laptop IDE-m.2 converter, so I can use m.2 sata SSD in a Win-98 era laptop. Where is this obsolescence, I could work it around easily. SATA won't disappear, and 2.5" to 3.5" adapters are cheap as hell, as it's just a plastic frame.

[-] grue@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago

I'm still using the 5.25" drive bays in my computer...

spoiler


...to hold 3.5" drives, LOL

[-] adarza@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 month ago

2.5in is rather common in servers these days.

[-] toddestan@lemm.ee 3 points 1 month ago

What they need to do is take that mostly empty 2.5" drive, and cram it full of flash chips. Why have we been stuck with 8TB as the largest consumer drives for a few years now? I can understand it a bit for NVMe due to the physical form factor, but there's no excuse for 2.5" drives. It doesn't seem that complicated. For example, all Samsung would have to do is take the 2.5" 8TB 870 QVO, double the number of chips in it, then sell it for twice the price. I'd buy one.

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[-] grue@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

It’s like NES cartridges.

In the sense that the card edge connector plugs directly into a slot on the motherboard instead of being connected via a cable, M.2 drives are more like NES cartridges than 2.5" drives are.

[-] just_another_person@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago

Excuse me, Scoot Blickerdon, that would require people suffering technology struggles actually research their issues and do the legwork to fix them themselves.

[-] SnotFlickerman 6 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Kinda ironic to hear it from you, all things considered.

(It's still up, by the way, because Nate Silver might be stupid but having worked for a large media organization he understands how copyright law works.)

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[-] gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.de 28 points 1 month ago

I thought he was talking about locked-down bootloaders or something. Because that's a real concern to me.

[-] GasMaskedLunatic@lemmy.dbzer0.com 23 points 1 month ago

Slowly? No.

[-] Endymion_Mallorn@kbin.melroy.org 14 points 1 month ago

No, not slowly. They've been accelerating toward this.

[-] Fontasia@feddit.nl 10 points 1 month ago

Oh man he's going to be so pissed when he finds out what Intel have been doing for 50 years

[-] Meltrax@lemmy.world 9 points 1 month ago

Why is this entire Lemmy community just weird leading-title BS articles about nothing?

[-] aesthelete@lemmy.world 7 points 1 month ago

This is why I just bought two framework laptops. They're doing the exact opposite.

[-] hendrik@palaver.p3x.de 5 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

I think this is pretty much a non-issue. If the Windows installer is broken, that's not necessarily Dell's fault. And you could just install a different OS with NVMe support.. I've stopped switching everything to "legacy" and AHCI a long time ago...

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