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[-] JackbyDev@programming.dev 162 points 1 year ago

I don't see a problem with it as long as no trafficking is involved.

[-] Driftking@lemmy.ml 45 points 1 year ago

I agree with this. I have found that most women do not however. It has been a great trouble for me, to talk about, when trying to find a new partner.

[-] twice_twotimes@sh.itjust.works 44 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

This is pretty surprising to me. In my experience (as a woman myself) women are much more likely than men to be vocally supportive of treating sex work like any other service and of breaking the taboo of offering or receiving those services.

I actually can’t think of any woman in my life who would judge someone negatively for seeing a sex worker (assuming full consent from all involved parties including partners). Most men I know would similarly have no issue with it, but a handful would read it as not being able to get laid and see that as something negative.

My social circle isn’t representative of the general population, but I’m still surprised to hear your experience is dramatically different. I wonder if the way the conversations are going make the issue more about consent, cheating, or other non-sex-work-specific ethical questions.

[-] Bitrot@lemmy.sdf.org 47 points 1 year ago

I have sometimes seen a phenomenon where people are very supportive of things until they are affected directly, and then they are supportive of those things in other people’s lives.

[-] MomoTimeToDie@sh.itjust.works 19 points 1 year ago

At least from my personal experience talking to people, I find that a lot of women support "sex work" as some sort of nebulous concept, but when it comes to the real world, and actually interacting with it beyond just theoretical discussions about empowerment, there's often a lot less acceptance.

Basically, there exists a mental gap between "I support sex workers as a general idea of empowering people in bad situations" and "I support the direct exchange of money for sex as a service people want"

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[-] SatansMaggotyCumFart@lemmy.world 16 points 1 year ago

Do you make use of the sex workers while in the relationship with the new partner?

[-] Driftking@lemmy.ml 23 points 1 year ago
[-] SatansMaggotyCumFart@lemmy.world 29 points 1 year ago

Then why speak of it?

I don’t talk about previous sexual partners with new ones.

[-] Driftking@lemmy.ml 39 points 1 year ago

For the purpose of disclosure. I just cant live with myself if I do not tell prospective partners when they ask. I know there is a difference between avoidance and lying, however, I value honesty. Not implying that you are not or should thinknas I do

[-] SatansMaggotyCumFart@lemmy.world 61 points 1 year ago

Last year I shit myself while trying to open my door and get to the bathroom.

I dropped my keys while I was trying to unlock the door and ended up with shit in my shoes that I had to throw away.

I never bring that up on dates.

[-] Bluehood380@lemmy.world 33 points 1 year ago

This story made my panties wet.

[-] SatansMaggotyCumFart@lemmy.world 24 points 1 year ago

Hopefully it’s not shit.

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[-] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 18 points 1 year ago

OP's out there on first dates asking if they have a problem with him doing it...

I can't imagine women are bringing it up

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[-] spasm01@lemmy.ko4abp.com 99 points 1 year ago

So long as everyone involved consents sans coercion, I do not see why anyone else should care/be involved

[-] Palerider@feddit.uk 46 points 1 year ago

This is pretty much my view on people's sexuality generally.

I don't care who's doing what to who as long as everyone involved is a consenting adult.

[-] Interesting_Test_814@jlai.lu 18 points 1 year ago

Does getting paid still counts as "sans coercion" though ?

[-] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 27 points 1 year ago

There's a huge difference between picking up a streetwalker, going to a legal brothel, or answering a personal ad in places like Canada where it's a grey area if it's legal

Like, off the street there's probably some coercion somewhere, legal brothel it's less likely they're forced to do it but it might still be trafficking but there's likely at least some form of oversight, and personal ads are a total crapshoot. It might be someone who's selective and just making some money, it might be someone that has to accept every offer.

When things arent 100% legal, some shady is statistically just going to happen. You can't regulate an illegal business.

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[-] zndl972@lemmy.sdf.org 19 points 1 year ago

Do you really feel like you’re coercing a waitress when you tip?

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[-] dingus@lemmy.ml 72 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I want to live in a world where no one feels they are struggling so much that they need to turn to selling their body for sex.

However, I don't live in that world, so in the meantime I support sex workers, because sex work is work.


The men who use their services? That's a tougher nut to crack.

My partners brother is heavily mentally disabled and pushing 40, he's still very much like a child, but obviously does not have a child's libido. This man has never had an intimate interaction with a woman. He might never get the chance, he struggles to talk to women, even women who have similar issues as himself. I think sex workers could be beneficial for him, in the right context, for giving him intimacy he may otherwise never experience. I don't think he would ever think/know to pursue a sex worker, but I could be wrong. There's also the issue of his emotions began to be involved, which leads me to...

I'd be more worried about him finding OnlyFans and blowing through all his disability money each month instead of realizing he's not actually getting much out of such a "relationship." He's the kind of person who a parasocial relationship like that could really damage their already troubling mental health. The same thing could happen with a prostitute, but they are less likely to hang the relationships on fake social cues that say they care about you. He's not quite advanced enough to understand that these women are being paid to pretend to care, I don't think.


Also, there's other types of men who use these services I'm sure aren't a net positive. There are plenty of conservative men who already view a standard relationship as a sexual transaction (I take care of girl = she give me sex), so they're not far from viewing everything women with transactional already. Secondly, not only do the already view it as transactional, many of these conservative men turn to prostitutes because average women simply don't want to date them because of their horrible, outdated views on women's bodily autonomy. They are already angsty and moody because of women not wanting to date them, and they often are willing to take out their frustrations on the woman they paid to serve them. I see these men as not respecting and hurting the women they turn to for sex work.


Anyway, just some quick thoughts on the subject.

[-] FederatedSaint@lemmy.world 36 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I want to live in a world where no one feels they are struggling so much that they need to turn to selling their body for sex.

You see, that's the problem. You are implicitly devaluing sex work compared to other professions. You're not acknowledging that some people actually want to, and choose to do sex work. There's nothing wrong whatsoever with someone choosing prostitution, stripping, escort, etc.

Could you say your same statement about being a lawyer? A teacher? An engineer?

"I want to live in a world where no one feels they are struggling so much that they need to turn to being an engineer."

You see how weird that sounds? So why can you say it about sex work? Do you see how derisive you're being toward it as a profession? Funny that you say you're supportive while implying that what they're doing is a last resort...🤦‍♂️

[-] Lintson@aussie.zone 19 points 1 year ago

I get you point but I genuinely want to live in a world where people are not forced to turn to engineering.

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[-] redballooon@lemm.ee 17 points 1 year ago

I think the error is on your side. Nothing that OC said denies that some sex workers like and choose what they do. These exist.

But it’s doubtable that these are in majority, and nothing what you say acknowledges that many many sex workers don’t have much choice.

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[-] thetreesaysbark@sh.itjust.works 22 points 1 year ago

I wonder if there's a third type too where a person has an extremely busy life and doesn't have time or possibly doesn't want an intimate relationship.

I don't know if it's "right" that this type of person pays for sex. I think it makes sense as long as they respect the person that they're paying and understand this person does not 'belong' to them - but this last point appears to be a problem for people whenever they pay anyone for anything.

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[-] MxRemy@lemmy.one 51 points 1 year ago

My opinion on them is the same as whatever opinion the sex workers have on them

[-] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 20 points 1 year ago

If you support the sex workers, this is the main answer. If you like them but not their clients how is that supposed to work economically?

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[-] Stanwich@lemmy.world 48 points 1 year ago

We pay for everything else. A professional is a professional. Mechanic or prostitute. It's a mutual transaction. Regulate it and make sure it's safe. When ai porn blows up there going to be a lot more sex workers.

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[-] obinice@lemmy.world 46 points 1 year ago

I don't see why it's any of my business. It's like asking what I think of men who go to the gym, or like lettuce on their sandwiches. It's just another normal thing people do in life.

Sex is a very normal everyday thing that many people need to feel fulfilled, and the sex industry is great to fill that need. People like to bone. It's none of my business, and because I'm not a Catholic from the 1800s, I don't think it's deeply wrong or sinful.

The only issue is that it's not regulated enough, there aren't enough protections in place for the workers or the customers.

[-] doggle@lemmy.world 46 points 1 year ago

If the sex worker is consenting without duress and is being treated well (I recognize that's a big 'if') then I'm fine with it. I have no inherent objections to sex work itself so it would feel like a double standard to judge the people who use it.

Unfortunately the moral waters are muddied by the rampant trafficking, drug abuse, etc. within the industry.

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[-] Godric@lemmy.world 41 points 1 year ago

Logically, if it's two consenting adults, why not?

Personally, fucking ew.

Overall, if you are single, you do you! If you have someone waiting at home, go fuckin sort yourself, never be a cheater.

[-] victron@programming.dev 20 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Let alone cheating, you don't want to catch something and carry it home. So yeah, cheating sucks.

[-] electrogamerman@lemmy.world 40 points 1 year ago

What is your opinion on women that make use of sex worker services?

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[-] Nioxic@lemmy.dbzer0.com 39 points 1 year ago

I dont care

So long as they treat the women properly, and said women is not being forced to work as a sex worker.

[-] xigoi@lemmy.sdf.org 38 points 1 year ago

I find it weird that someone would want to have sex with someone who obviously does it only for money.

[-] chaorace@lemmy.sdf.org 35 points 1 year ago

Now that you mention it, isn't it odd that it feels weird? I wonder exactly where the line starts to come into focus between something as innocuous as paying for a meal and something as taboo as paying for sex? Obviously that's a question of culture, but it's entertaining to think about nonetheless...

Like, there's definitely something kind of unusual about this specific taboo. Speaking from the perspective of modern western culture, I'd say that the following things which share some characteristics with prostitution are all individually qualified as being relatively socially acceptable:

  • Paying for therapy (i.e.: buying the service of social comfort)
  • Paying for a massage (i.e.: buying the service of physical comfort)
  • Having a one night stand (i.e.: receiving the service of sexual comfort without buying it)
  • Buying a sex toy (i.e.: buying sexual comfort without involving a service worker)

I posit that there's something uniquely specific about the direct intersection of service, money, and sexual pleasure which makes prostitution uniquely uncomfortable for (modern western) people to think about. I might be overthinking it, though. Perhaps these three things are already uncomfortable topics to really think about so we naturally want to resist the idea of combining them?

[-] StringTheory@beehaw.org 18 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Some people view sex as a means of expressing affection and connection, rather than as a means of having an orgasm. They would have no issue buying a sex toy to get their physical needs met, however hiring a person wouldn’t make sense to them because of the lack of emotional connection.

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[-] jadedwench@lemmy.world 29 points 1 year ago

Safe. Sane. Consensual. Pretty simple. If money changes hands, whatever. Don't be a dick and no means no. In fact, until there is a yes, you cannot assume there is consent. I digress...

[-] Smeagol666@lemm.ee 28 points 1 year ago

I know you probably mean prostitutes or "escorts", but aren't porn actors also sex workers? I watch porn all the time, so do a lot of people. I feel sorry for the sad sacks who aren't "allowed" to look at porn because their significant other is so goddamn insecure, the idea of their partner having their own private thoughts scares the shit out of them.

[-] cazsiel@lemmy.world 28 points 1 year ago

I love my customers

[-] Starb3an@sh.itjust.works 24 points 1 year ago

Because of the poor treatment of the workers due to it being illegal, I'd say the majority are not great to terrible people.

If they go to legal, well managed brothels, they're probably ok people.

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[-] chicken@lemmy.dbzer0.com 23 points 1 year ago

IMO the more that money is involved in anything, the less actually voluntary it is, because we need money to live and plenty of people don't have a lot of options for making money. With sex it's really important for everything to be actually consensual, but paying for it makes that ambiguous, they can't really know, so I see it as creepy and unethical.

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[-] jimmybob42@sh.itjust.works 22 points 1 year ago

I hold no prejudices. In general, I try not to judge anyone until I've got to know them, what their values are, etc.

I hired an escort once. It was awkward. First, I was paranoid about it being a sting or something. Then, I was worried about getting my wallet stolen. When "it" was over, I started getting up to leave, then the women was like "your time's not up yet," then laid beside me and started a conversation about q-anon type stuff. Lady had some mental issues, which made me feel kinda bad about the whole thing (and a little bit scared at the time, lol).

Anyways, I would never bring this up on a date or even to a partner (or friend). It is completely irrelevant to a relationship. If asked directly if I've ever hired a sex worker, I would lie. There's a lot of stigma around sex workers and their clients, even with people who are generally more "accepting." Someone could be a good potential partner, friend, or whatever, but have one weird hang-up about not dating someone who was a "john," and I wouldn't want to exclude them from being a potential partner/friend just because of that.

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[-] mojo@lemm.ee 20 points 1 year ago

Sad but I think it's okay and should be allowed anyways. I feel the same way about McDonald's and Twinkies.

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[-] waterbogan@lemmy.world 20 points 1 year ago

Its a perfectly reasonable option for those that for whatever reason are unable to meet their needs by more conventional/ socially acceptable means. I do not make use of sex worker services currently but if the need arose in the future I would not rule it out, and would not look down on anyone else for doing so (as long as trafficing is not involved)

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[-] tiredofthecrap@lemmy.world 20 points 1 year ago

I think it fucks up the marriage (divorce) racket for women due to the fact it's simply cheaper and a lot less hassle.

That's why it gets screeched about.

The bottom line is that it's no one's business what 2 consenting adults do.

How is it different than pouring $100 worth of liquor down some woman's throat at the bar, banging once and never seeing again?

Flame away, dgaf.

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[-] angstylittlecatboy@reddthat.com 18 points 1 year ago

My idea of what the average sex worker client is like isn't positive, but I wouldn't hold it against someone I already know to be upstanding if I found out they had used one's services.

[-] wizzor@sopuli.xyz 18 points 1 year ago

Although not something I could see myself doing, I don't judge. People can be too busy for dating, out of practice, too awkward or just wanting to cross off something off their bucket list. At the very least it ain't my business.

[-] PotentialProblem@sh.itjust.works 16 points 1 year ago

I don’t see a problem with it but there’s definitely a stigma associated with it. (At least in the US) I think folks who pay are seen as not being able to find it elsewhere which may make them appear as not desirable to other people which then may make your partner question if they’re making a bad choice. Unless you happen to be in an area that has well regulated sex workers, I imagine people might think that you’ve been exposed to STDs which may give you a perception of being “unclean”.

I don’t think you should have to lie when finding a partner… but I do think telling them this (at the beginning) may be problematic for you for a lot of people.

I’d love to see sex work well regulated, protected, and normalized in the US but I don’t think we’re there.

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