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Canada demands Meta lift news ban to allow wildfire info sharing::The Canadian government on Friday demanded that Meta lift a "reckless" ban on domestic news from its platforms to allow people to share information about wildfires in the west of the country.

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[-] beaubbe@lemmy.world 137 points 1 year ago

Canada should run it's own official mastodon or lemmy instance to post canadian news/communications and whatnot. I never undestood how we still depend on American corporations like Twitter and facebook to share news. Like, even for my local govt, if I want to know if there is any road works, water issues and so on, it ends up on facebook only! This is dumb.

[-] unscholarly_source@lemmy.ca 32 points 1 year ago

Canadian governmental entities (at all levels) aren't known for their innovative thinking. Throughout the pandemic, regardless of your position on vaccines, the main fact that it was a group of volunteers in a discord channel that were responsible for the information shows the archaic state of digital communication in Canada. Frankly embarrassing by global comparison.

[-] Vex_Detrause@lemmy.ca 5 points 1 year ago

Wait is this for real? Source? I have not heard of this, it would be great if this is open to the public during and even after pandemic.

[-] unscholarly_source@lemmy.ca 5 points 1 year ago

They go by Vaccine Hunters. I don't think they are active anymore but you can find their history here: https://vaccinehunters.ca/about

[-] FireTower@lemmy.world 124 points 1 year ago

As much as I love clowning on Zuck it's unreasonable to expect foreign companies to act as your nation's means of emergency notifications.

[-] cynber@lemmy.ca 48 points 1 year ago

Not really emergency notifications but news, which tbh isn't as important in this case because non-Canadian news orgs aren't affected and are covering it too. So there isn't an immediate risk I don't think.

As for the main point: The problem is that a subset of the population ONLY gets information through one platform. The only way to reach them is through that platform, and not reaching them means excess costs when you have to rescue/treat/otherwise deal with the fallout. It's also the government's job to inform people and keep them safe.

At the same time, the companies need to be regulated by the government. Can't just let them have free reign because they seized control

[-] cedarmesa@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)
[-] alcasa@lemmy.sdf.org 12 points 1 year ago

I wouldn't trust my country to competently run anything internet related

[-] msage@programming.dev 1 points 1 year ago

Did he stutter?

[-] ArmokGoB@lemmy.dbzer0.com 13 points 1 year ago

It's unreasonable for a social media platform with almost 3 billion people to be privately owned.

[-] aquielias@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

how is that unreasonable? build your own network get it to 3 billion people on it and then tell me what you think if the government take it from you. Or even better go and live in CUBA, CHINA, RUSSIA Or NORTH COREA that where that type of thought belongs.

[-] eskimofry@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago

Capturing lightning in a bottle is more about luck than about skill.

[-] aquielias@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

People with no skills, don't build a social media such as Facebook, I don't like the dude at all but I can't fail to recognize his achievement. I dare you become a programmer and build your own idea may be you can capture that lightning you are talking about.

[-] ZombieTheZombieCat@lemm.ee 5 points 1 year ago

Didn't he steal the idea from two other guys though

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[-] eskimofry@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

Its so easy being the idea guy. Everybody wants to be the next idea guy.

[-] mwguy@infosec.pub 2 points 1 year ago

Facebook isn't privately owned. It's a public company.

[-] ArmokGoB@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 1 year ago

Publicly owned and publicly traded are different.

[-] obinice@lemmy.world 80 points 1 year ago

Or, and hear me out here, just don't use Facebook, especially if it doesn't have the features you say you need?

The internet is gigantic, there's so, so, so so many other ways to get and share information.

[-] match@pawb.social 3 points 1 year ago
[-] mister_monster@monero.town 75 points 1 year ago

Lol they didn't "ban" news, they refused to pay to make the news relevant. Canada basically banned news sharing on the internet. They can repeal the stupid law.

[-] cynber@lemmy.ca 23 points 1 year ago

I don't agree with the solution the government came up with, but the problem still exists and I don't understand it well enough to come up with an alternative solution.

Making news is expensive, and good quality news (not mucked up by corporate interests) needs a way to fund that work. We don't want news to be an outlet for corporations investing in a mouthpiece. So traditionally this was done through advertising.

Now people barely ever click through to the websites so the advertising doesn't work. Meanwhile the places where people ARE seeing the news do have ads. The content is produced by one party, and the profit goes to another.

The problem exists and needs a solution, but I don't know what it might be. Australia brought in a similar law successfully and Facebook/Google came to a deal. Canada might also be able to do that?

The other long term solution IMO is to make the platforms obsolete with things like Mastodon and Lemmy. That might take some time though

[-] APassenger@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago

Even on the fediverse the articles are sctaped and pasted. Or bot summarized.

Both significantly reduce the likelihood I click through.

And that's forgetting the significant demo that's trying to stay ad-free.

[-] cynber@lemmy.ca 7 points 1 year ago

There ARE other downsides to this law, outside of the hissy fit Facebook is throwing.

For example, smaller independent news companies don't have the bargaining power to come to a fair agreement with Facebook, like the larger organizations can. A solution to that might be to have some standard rates set up, but again, don't know enough about it

[-] admin@leemyalone.org 5 points 1 year ago

The solution is for people who care about the news to start paying some small amount of money to support responsible news. Look at NPR or PBS but fuck paying corporate news outlets to bait me with outrage porn.

[-] mister_monster@monero.town 5 points 1 year ago

Well, I think the government at the core has a small point, network effects drive these sites, and the news being there draws people to them, which draws news to be there. But they frame it as one sided, and the fact is the news benefits from being on Facebook way more than Facebook benefits from people sharing news. People are on Facebook, the news is irrelevant if people can't share it with each other in their lives, but Facebook doesnt become irrelevant without it. The government stepped out of line here and are doing anything and everything in their power to avoid admitting it, even resorting to propaganda. This is a shakedown for a failing industry that the government needs to continue to exist for it to control public narrative, that's tye long and short of it.

Personally I'm of the opinion that all news is propaganda, and so I consume none of it. The fact that every news organization is parroting the government line about Facebook being a meanie and blocking the news tells me who controls the news and/or where power lies. If something's important enough for me to need to know it, someone in my life will tell me. So I'd disagree with you that this needs a solution.

I do like your other long term solution, I don't use Facebook either.

[-] Prezhotnuts@lemmy.ca 46 points 1 year ago

This is so ridiculous. It's sad that people need to rely on social media to find "news".

Is CBC that hard to find?

Journalism is so fucked in Canada.

[-] ugjka@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago

Apparently only 3% of FB feed is news related

[-] Prezhotnuts@lemmy.ca 5 points 1 year ago

TIL, that is so small how is this even an issue.

[-] sir_wandelf@lemmy.world 43 points 1 year ago

Be me, the Canadian government

Decide that making social media companies pay news organizations to host their links is a good plan that will help struggling news sites.

The social media sites stop hosting links in order to avoid the payments, hurting said struggling news organizations.

Wait they weren't supposed to do that.

Canadians are not able to find out critical information about the wildfires due to your law.

Blame social media companies for being reckless.

Crisis averted.

[-] minkshaman@lemmy.perthchat.org 9 points 1 year ago

Australia tried it and gave in.

[-] Nastybutler@lemmy.world 39 points 1 year ago

Oh no, I'm facing the consequences of my actions

~Canada

[-] admin@leemyalone.org 37 points 1 year ago

Governments are terrible at legislating in the tech and information space. It almost always results in terrible laws that don't even come close to doing what they intended.

I don't like facebook and i certainly don't give a shit if they lose money but you can't force them to buy news articles and deliver them to non-paying users.

[-] cedarmesa@lemmy.world 15 points 1 year ago

Yes the government can force them because theyre the government. Thats how governments work. If youve bought into the propaganda that governments have no right to regulate facebook then I guess facebook is the ultimate authority to rule the world? Perhaps we should hand the military over to zuckerberg? Zuck as unelected dictator president? Governments have authority and a duty to control corporations within their borders no matter what their ceo's have convinced you through the media outlets they have bought up. Yes, governments have ultimate power and authority on planet earth not "business".

[-] BURN@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago

Sure, Canada can regulate Meta/FB, but they can’t force them to offer the service in the country. If Meta wants to completely cease operations in Canada they’d be perfectly within their “rights”.

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[-] 1rre@discuss.tchncs.de 9 points 1 year ago

Issue is Canada can't force them to do business there. If they continue introducing flawed legislation that is awful at doing what it's supposed to do, then Meta's just gonna get tf outta there. Canada aren't big enough to have that much of a dent on their income, so it's just not worth it.

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[-] DocMcStuffin@lemmy.world 35 points 1 year ago

I'm perfectly fine with shitting on Meta/Facebook/Instagram for gestures broadly at the last 10+ years, but Canada instituted a link tax for news. They added a fee to a fundamental part of the Internet: linking to something. I can't blame Meta for refusing to play that game.

[-] bappity@lemmy.world 26 points 1 year ago

play stupid games, win stupid prizes

[-] ConfuzedAZ@lemmy.world 18 points 1 year ago

Lol, yep I hate to say it but the stick bicycle meme applies here pretty hard.

[-] ikidd@lemmy.world 16 points 1 year ago

This administration writes legislation like kindergarten students.

[-] Dick_Justice@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Oh no. The leopards are eating their face. Someone do something. Help.

[-] autotldr@lemmings.world 6 points 1 year ago

This is the best summary I could come up with:


OTTAWA, Aug 18 (Reuters) - The Canadian government on Friday demanded that Meta (META.O) lift a "reckless" ban on domestic news from its platforms to allow people to share information about wildfires in the west of the country.

Some people fleeing wildfires in the remote northern town of Yellowknife have complained to domestic media that the ban prevented them from sharing important data about the fires.

"Meta's reckless choice to block news ... is hurting access to vital information on Facebook and Instagram," Heritage Minister Pascale St-Onge said in a social media post.

Chris Bittle, a legislator for the ruling Liberal Party, complained on Thursday that "Meta's actions to block news are reckless and irresponsible."

In response, a Meta spokesperson said by email that the company had activated the "Safety Check" feature on Facebook that allows users to spread the word that they are safe in the wake of a natural disaster or a crisis.

Canadians can use Facebook and Instagram to access content from official government agencies, emergency services and non-governmental organizations, the spokesperson added.


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[-] Antimutt@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 1 year ago

Canada, it's called parasitising a symbiotic relationship. Evolution tries this from time to time. Now we see if your law is fit to survive.

[-] Raisin8659@monyet.cc 4 points 1 year ago

I have no idea which side has better arguments for doing what they do, but this is like Mega-tech/Zuck doing this:

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