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There is a reason for USB-C extensions not to be part of the standard. They can be bothersome in the best case and dangerous in the worst.

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[-] starman2112@sh.itjust.works 18 points 6 days ago

USB-C somehow managed to be the worst "standard." Hopefully the next big USB port doesn't allow for so much variance. I don't see why a specific wattage and data transfer rate isn't included in the specification. I can scarcely believe they managed to standardize it so well that I can plug the wrong cord into a port and break something.

[-] smeenz@lemmy.nz 18 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

Per the video, the usb-c connector on the cable has a chip that communicates the maximum current that it can safely pass. By plugging it into a lesser rated usb extension cable, that assertion is now wrong, potentially dangerously wrong if enough current is sent that the wires in the extension overheat.

[-] MrAlternateTape@lemm.ee 1 points 3 days ago

Usually if a thing is not allowed, there is a good reason for it. Unfortunately many people seem to ignore that because they don't know or understand the reason.

[-] VerticaGG 3 points 5 days ago

How does this apply to a usb-c-to-headphone-port adapter, if at all? If someone's using one to regain access to a 3.5mm audio jack, are any risks posed?

[-] MargotRobbie@lemmy.world 328 points 1 week ago

If you want a more detailed explanation, USB-C is a small connector that was designed primarily for data transfer, extended power range delivery (240w) was essentially hacked on to the standard. Electricity arcing between the contacts on the connector is the biggest challenge with this hack, since the contacts are small and very close together, which could burn out the circuit board and start fires. For EPR to work safely, there needs to be a lot of extra components on the circuit board/female connector side, which there simply isn't enough space for on an f2m extension cable.

As for why USB-C cables are so short, it's simply a matter of physics, carrying high speed data over larger distances would result in higher losses and requires thicker conductors and more shielding, which is why you don't see USB4 Gen3 cables over 1 meter unless they are optical, and longer "charging cables" are only rated at USB 2.0 speeds, because more often than not they don't even have the USB 3.x data pins on their connector.

[-] inriconus@programming.dev 12 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

It's amazing for a "standard" that there can be so many non-standard ways to do it. Your explanation is great and just reminded me that cable tester tools are a really good idea to have at home. There was one in Kickstarter earlier this year, I think, that was a really smart idea. I don't recall what it was nqmed though. Maybe you have heard of it? I'll see if I can find it.

Regardless, there are some devices that really need a specific type of usb-c cable to function properly and/or not burn the circuitry. (i.e. Nintendo Switch, the original release model (though, they may have fixed it in later hardware revisions))

Edit: Found it! That cable tester that I was referring to was called the BLE CaberQU. I think it is a really neat idea.

[-] Septimaeus@infosec.pub 1 points 1 day ago

Nice! I’ve wanted a tool exactly like that many times. I’ll back it and see.

The closest I could find before were essentially pin to pin continuity checkers, which are useful for telling if a cable is PD only, 2.0 vs 3.x, or has a line break, but most of those can be eyeballed, otherwise metered. So these just checkers just add precision and speed to something you already know how to do.

The runner ups were the (now ubiquitous) inline inductive energy trackers, because they can tell you a bit more about the gauge of the wires in the cable which can be important, especially high amperage 5v like pi 4.B

But to test quality of shielding for high rate data transfer, DP and PCI-E tunneling, etc., the only option was manually user testing with adequately powerful devices.

[-] UltraGiGaGigantic@lemmy.ml 9 points 6 days ago

I'm glad someone is smart cause I sure ain't

[-] h54@programming.dev 5 points 6 days ago

Nice explanation, thanks!

[-] fosho@lemmy.ca 5 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

It's a great explanation. However you have some pretty egregious use of commas that made it a lot more confusing. I had to read it over multiple times to fully understand.

It may seem like nitpicking but these subtle issues end up making it harder to comprehend and overall results in more time and effort for everyone you're trying to inform.

[-] gazter@aussie.zone 10 points 6 days ago

You know you explained a topic pretty damn accurately when the Stranger On The Internet can only use the good ol' "too many commas'" argument to bring you down.

[-] stephen01king@lemmy.zip 2 points 6 days ago

Why are you assuming he's trying to bring the guy down? He could genuinely have a problem parsing the comment and you're here just dismissing his experience.

I didn't know that assuming your experience applies to everyone is generally accepted in Lemmy nowadays, considering the voting ratio.

I don't agree with his point that there are too many commas, but implying that his experience is faked and his comment is made due to malicious intent is just particularly stupid.

[-] gazter@aussie.zone 4 points 6 days ago

My comment was intended more to praise OP than to deride the person who replied. It was probably worded badly. I guess I should have said something more along the lines of 'You know your argument is good when the only fault to be found by internet strangers is too many commas'.

[-] stephen01king@lemmy.zip 2 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

Yeah, that actually conveyed your meaning much better than your original wording. I understand what you meant now. That means my comment was way too aggressive for what you wanted to convey, so I will apologize.

[-] gazter@aussie.zone 1 points 5 days ago

What the fuck did you just fucking say about me, you little shit? Ill have you know I graduated top of my class in the Navy Seals, and Ive been involved in numerous secret...

Oh. Oh wait. I think the shock of what I just read reverted me to default internet discussion... Was that just a polite exchange where we saw the others point of view, then both admitted we could have done better? Nice!

[-] seliaste 3 points 6 days ago

Some languages have a very different usage of comas. Maybe OP's mother tongue is one of those

[-] Agent641@lemmy.world 104 points 1 week ago

You are a brilliant woman of many talents, Margot Robbie!

[-] MargotRobbie@lemmy.world 95 points 1 week ago

That's esteemed Academy Award nominated character actress Margot Robbie to you!

Also, thank you.

[-] UnbrokenTaco@lemm.ee 3 points 4 days ago
[-] MargotRobbie@lemmy.world 3 points 4 days ago

I would say more like a Harley Quinn.

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[-] NobodyElse@sh.itjust.works 196 points 1 week ago

Anybody care to sum this up for people who can’t watch videos?

[-] WraithGear@lemmy.world 323 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

So a standard cable needs to be chipped to show its rating to the device, its not that the device can pull what it wants or can get, but the cable itself tells it what it can supply. Extension cables can’t do that, because it doesn’t know what it’s plugged into, and that would be if they even bothered to put a chip in. They instead piggy back off the chip for the main cable. The problem comes when you you have a 240 watt cable hooked up to a cheap 120 watt cable, with the device being told it can push 240, and starts to super heat the extension cable

[-] Mr_Blott@feddit.uk 87 points 1 week ago

Brilliant thanks

5 sentences that inexplicably need a 9 minute video to say

Fuck YouTube

[-] Croquette@sh.itjust.works 1 points 5 days ago

Haven't you heard about Raid Shadow Legends?

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[-] AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world 67 points 1 week ago

I'll have you know that I've been using a 2m extension on my deck power supply for a while and haven't had any fires to speak of. Almost none actually.

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[-] dual_sport_dork@lemmy.world 49 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Technically extension cables were not part of the original USB spec, either, but that did not prevent oodles of them from appearing pretty much instantly. They solved a problem, there was a need, and thus they happened.

I.e. there never was supposed to be any such thing as a passive male USB-A to female USB-A cable, and yet pretty much every little MP3 player from 2001 to about 2005 came with one regardless.

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