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Ukraine: Zelensky condemns "inhumane" Russia Christmas Day attack (www.bbc.com)

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Russia launched a major attack on Ukraine’s energy infrastructure on Christmas Day, using 184 missiles and drones, resulting in power cuts across the country.

Ukrainian President Zelensky condemned the attack, calling it “inhumane” and a “conscious choice” by Russia.

Despite the damage and casualties, Ukrainians remain resilient, celebrating Christmas amidst the crisis.

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[-] flamingos@feddit.uk 63 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

I thought Ukraine celebrated Orthodox Christmas, but turns out this was changed last year.

[-] barsoap@lemm.ee 30 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Eastern Orthodox in particular. Plenty of other Orthodox churches have adopted the Revised Julian calendar so Christmas falls on the 24th. At least until the leap years desync.

...which is of course still a bit off the solstice (more like 21st or 22nd) but that has been the case for basically forever as people forgot which holiday it was they declared to be baby Jesus' birthday.

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[-] DicJacobus@lemmy.world 27 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Ukraine has been dealing with Russian influence and subterfuge in its country on such a scale for centuries that its essentially like a brain parasite, they've had to resort to some extreme measures to try to combat this control, there's no sense in being soft or cautious about it anymore as Russia has launched a full scale war against them and the way their troops and statesmen have behaved, they've essentially declared their intent is to exterminate the very idea of the nation.

so when those are the stakes. Ukraine will do a lot of things that seem weird. changing christmas, forcing themselves to stop speaking russian and speak ukrainian, etc. its total war. this is what happens in total war.

the russian orthodox church is also under the direct control of the kremlin, Patriarch Kirill is a KGB gangster like Putin, he just wears a fancy hat, but most of his preaching about god is usually in relation to killing and fighting. its just a state war church at this point.

[-] Skiluros@sh.itjust.works 12 points 2 weeks ago

It has. In my family we celebrate Christmas as a secular family event. But we now meet up on the December 25th not on Jan 7th.

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[-] ModernRisk@lemmy.dbzer0.com 14 points 2 weeks ago

But Zelensky still does not condemn Israel’s genocide on the Palestinian people. Right.

[-] Moops@lemmy.world 77 points 2 weeks ago

Sure, but whataboutism doesn't change the gravity if this situation.

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[-] Skiluros@sh.itjust.works 39 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

The irony of your approach throughout this thread is that the Palestinians support russian genocidal imperialism.

I say this as a Ukrainian who leans towards the Palestinian side.

EDIT: In retrospective, it was wrong for me to say Palestinians in general support russian genocidal imperialism. A fairer approach would be to say that Palestinian leadership has generally espoused pro-russian statements, but they likely didn't have much choice.

[-] FantasticDonkey@reddthat.com 17 points 2 weeks ago

I‘m Palestinian and absolutely we don’t. We’re tired of just literally ANYONE wanting to rule us. What happens in Palestine is a genocide, period. What happens in Ukraine is also a genocide. I don’t want to antagonize you, but I’m honestly curious what you mean by „leaning towards“ the Palestinian side.

To me, imperialism needs to be abolished and I don’t care if the US or Russia or Iran or China does it. And imo Zelenskyy is a piece of shit for appeasing to Israel while they do literally the same to Palestinians that Russia does to Ukrainians. And in that sense, I will always be against the oppressor and it sounds a bit like there would be anything else to what happens to Palestinians than genocide & colonization.

That being said I wish you victory and peace.

[-] NOT_RICK@lemmy.world 13 points 2 weeks ago

I think this is an unfortunate case where I understand his silence. It’s realpolitik. He’s fighting a war to save his country from imperialism so he doesn’t want to alienate a potential source of aid. I think places like the US and the EU are far more culpable in their complicity because they don’t have that same kind of desperate need. Quite the opposite even, they actively enable

[-] FantasticDonkey@reddthat.com 7 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

I get why people want to think that it’s just realpolitik but then he‘d need to be actually silent. He has always been vocally pro-Israel though. Israel has surely escalated things by magnitudes since October 7 but they’ve been colonizing us for more than 100 years now, so it’s not like the dynamics were different before October 7.

As an example this article from April this year: https://kyivindependent.com/zelensky-calls-allies-to-defend-ukraine-recalling-iranian-attack-on-israel-on-april-14/

”By defending Israel, the free world demonstrated that unity (among allies) is not only possible but 100% effective," Zelensky said after a meeting with top military and security officials . "The allies' decisive actions prevented the success of terrorism and loss of infrastructure and forced the aggressor to cool down. The same can be done to defend Ukraine from terrorism, and Ukraine, just like Israel, is not a NATO member."

And at this point it was already abundantly clear that there’s a genocide happening in Gaza, he could have said many things but he chose those exact words. Maybe he just doesn’t care about Palestinian life if he can get more weapons, maybe he actually believes what he’s saying, either way it’s not a good look on him. That being said, I don’t think he’s particularly bad, he’s just not better than any other hypocritical politician.

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[-] Deestan@lemmy.world 37 points 2 weeks ago

Is there any reason you're pointing out his alleged hypocrisy and not the hypocrisy of the Pope regarding child molestation? Are molested children just non-humans or something?

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[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 28 points 2 weeks ago

It's almost like he needs every country in the world with large defense industries to help him out or something, isn't it?

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[-] Empricorn@feddit.nl 25 points 2 weeks ago

Whataboutists can fuck all the way off with their bad-faith "arguments"...

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[-] teohhanhui@lemmy.world 18 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

https://unwatch.org/database/country/ukraine/

0% For Israel 0 resolutions

77% Against Israel 114 resolutions

23% Abstain on Israel 35 resolutions

[-] catloaf@lemm.ee 16 points 2 weeks ago

Because he knows if he does, the US will reconsider support.

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