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[-] alquicksilver@lemmy.world 306 points 2 weeks ago

Speaking to CBS, the BBC's US partner, on Sunday, Homeland Security Secretary Alejandro Mayorkas said that the online rhetoric has been "extraordinarily alarming".

"It speaks of what is really bubbling here in this country," he said. "And unfortunately we see that manifested in violence, the domestic violent extremism that exists."

Did he care about the domestic violent extremism before it started to affect the wealthy? What about the domestic terrorists who go after the queer community, POC communities, women, doctors providing reproductive healthcare...the list goes on.

Violent extremism isn't new here. It's just that this one affects people with power.

[-] Zaktor@sopuli.xyz 96 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Yeah, the rules of society say they won and they think all the losers beneath them just have to accept it. The social order and status quo are great for them. That something would violate it is extremely disturbing to them and provokes an emotional response.

I think that's why they seem to be so clumsily overreacting to the murder. Maybe it's working in segments of the population I don't see, but everyone in my social network is either outright happy it happened or at least get why it happened. Some will have perfunctory "murder is wrong" statements, but the thrust is about what a corrupt and evil business health insurance is. That's all the way up to the boomers and crosses political boundaries.

Things like the perp walk, excessive charges, and corporate comedy pretending everyone just thinks Mangione is a bad guy just highlights the us vs. them of class war rather than trying to somehow quell or redirect the bubbling unrest. I think they're doing this because their peers and masters are emotionally demanding a visible and recognizable show of power and obedience. If they knew what was good for them they'd be triple-timing it to make some token effort to reform the system, but even a token effort in response to the killing of a rich person would infuriate them, so clumsy performances it is.

[-] samus12345@lemm.ee 54 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

When my usually "civil" boomer dad said he gets why he did it and wasn't outright condemning him, I knew the ruling class wasn't in control of the narrative as per usual this time.

[-] masterofn001@lemmy.ca 49 points 2 weeks ago

My 75 year old Canadian aunt laughed when I showed her this

Everyone hates these people except the people who want to be these people.

[-] samus12345@lemm.ee 33 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

I'm actually rather impressed that so many people get what's actually happening here. I don't know if it'll ultimately amount to anything, but it shows that it is actually possible to get through to people sometimes. It's a shame that no avenue but violence has been left to us to do so.

[-] naught101@lemmy.world 12 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

I think most people have known about the situation for years. Apathy isn't a result of disinterest or lack of care, it's a result of lack of agency and lack of hope. Now both of those are slightly more on the table.

[-] HawlSera@lemm.ee 9 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

By making a big show of this arrest, they've ensured that what they don't want to happen will happen.

They will share out of fear.

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[-] phoneymouse@lemmy.world 82 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

You’ve got far right militias blowing up America’s electric grid infrastructure, threatening politicians, having standoffs on federal property, and patrolling hurricane impacted areas trying to capture federal employees that are there helping, and I’ve never heard those people referred to as terrorists.

[-] HawlSera@lemm.ee 11 points 2 weeks ago

Because they're only making the poor unhappy.

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[-] Reverendender@sh.itjust.works 11 points 2 weeks ago

Those people are terrorists!

[-] BmeBenji@lemm.ee 40 points 2 weeks ago

What about the domestic terrorist corporations who assassinate whistleblowers? Or are there so many hands involved there that it’s not worth the trouble to dismantle those terrorist organizations?

[-] OutlierBlue@lemmy.ca 12 points 2 weeks ago

Just as long as the shareholders stay happy and the line goes up.

[-] Reverendender@sh.itjust.works 9 points 2 weeks ago

"Nah, they cool." - these assholes, almost certainly

[-] lemmylommy@lemmy.world 23 points 2 weeks ago

What about them? They just got their picks elected as the next president and dipshit-in-chief.

[-] HawlSera@lemm.ee 16 points 2 weeks ago

Did he care about the domestic violent extremism before it started to affect the wealthy?

No, not at all. They're only mad because for the first time, the elite feel mortal.

You ever heard of the "less dead", well, Brian Thompson is "more dead"

And for those who haven't "Less Dead" is a saying used to describe people who's deaths the police don't look into because they're "not important enough"

Many serial killers get away with their crimes simply because they're smart enough to only kill those who would be deemed "less dead"

[-] mhague@lemmy.world 9 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Mayorkas said white nationalists are the biggest threat to domestic security. He was impeached by Nazis. He doesn't repeat bullshit about immigration. Not necessarily a standard asshole that fails upwards.

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[-] Fedizen@lemmy.world 149 points 2 weeks ago

Its fucked up the news is acting like Sandy Hook wasn't a decade ago. All this guy is accused of is shooting a CEO.

[-] EmpathicVagrant@lemmy.world 56 points 2 weeks ago

Sandy hook was instead normalized, and happens multiple times over across the nation annually. Pew pew ‘muricuh

[-] SuiXi3D@fedia.io 54 points 2 weeks ago

Maybe if it happens enough, we can normalize billionaire CEO murder as well.

[-] some_designer_dude@lemmy.world 46 points 2 weeks ago

CEO or not, billionaires gotta go

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[-] papertowels@mander.xyz 12 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

This is the disheartening part that highlights the class divide. Shootings of common folk barely make the news where I'm from. How much have taxpayers paid for this so far? Justice clearly isn't being applied equally.

[-] Reverendender@sh.itjust.works 117 points 2 weeks ago

The terrorism "charges" are laughably flimsy and clearly contrived. Trumped Up, you might say.

[-] HawlSera@lemm.ee 27 points 2 weeks ago

The terrorism charge is absolutely the dumbest thing they did. Now it's on them to prove it was more than just murder.

[-] HawlSera@lemm.ee 97 points 2 weeks ago

This makes me believe it really wasn't him. If he actually wrote a manifesto, he'd have declared himself guilty, taken credit, and done a speech about how he was now a martyr for the cause.

If he's sticking to his story, then I believe him. They couldn't find the real killer so they just went with whoever "fit the description", as per usual.

[-] wildcardology@lemmy.world 46 points 2 weeks ago

Innocent until proven guilty. It's the government's job to prove him guilty. He doesn't have to help them.

[-] HawlSera@lemm.ee 13 points 2 weeks ago

If Innocent until proven guilty, why the fuck do we lock people up to await their court date?

[-] FordBeeblebrox@lemmy.world 10 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Because it makes money, and a splash of long standing racism

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[-] morrowind@lemmy.ml 19 points 2 weeks ago

That doesn't explain why he keeps mogging the camera, or what he yells to the journalist in that one video.

I don't know if it's him, but I think whoever it is, is just following their lawyer's advice, not trying to be a martyr

[-] DeLacue@lemmy.world 18 points 2 weeks ago

The thing is they've actually made a mistake charging him with terrorism. It is surprisingly narrowly defined so even without a sympathetic jury he might get a not guilty verdict for it and it weakens the whole case against him. But most of all by including it they've made all his intentions and politics central issues to the case. All the evidence and his statements about this will have to go into the public record. If he had pleaded guilty that wouldn't happen nor would there be a chance for jury annulment. Pleading not guilty is simply the smarter option to take.

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[-] Zron@lemmy.world 17 points 2 weeks ago

Wouldn’t be surprised if he was in New York on some legitimate business, they caught him on camera at a Starbucks near the murder, blasted his image all over the news and social media, and just waited for someone to call.

Then when they got the call, they grabbed a backpack with “evidence” and claimed he had it on him when they arrested him.

Did anyone believe that he was wondering around for 3 days with a bag that was holding the murder weapon, fake IDs, and a hand written manifesto? He ditched another bag, and escaped on an e-bike. Why would he then run around for three days with the rest of the evidence.

[-] HawlSera@lemm.ee 9 points 2 weeks ago

Either he is the dumbest man alive, or the police really wanted to just go with the first guy who fit the description knowing that they'll look like heroes to their corporate overlords, and that if another guy bites the dust they can just say it was a copycat.

[-] Modern_medicine_isnt@lemmy.world 15 points 2 weeks ago

Personally, I am sad that is all it takes for you to believe something. Businesses, media, governments, and more are trying to make people believe things (unrelated to luigi) that aren't true. You need to raise the bar, not lower it. Maybe you want to believe he didn't do it, but I hope you don't actually believe that based on so little information.

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[-] sunbytes@lemmy.world 13 points 2 weeks ago

I mean, if he can away with it while not undermining his original intentions, why not do it?

There's various ways he could go unpunished that would prevent a retrial and so he'd then be set up to be influential in some kind of healthcare reform.

Heavy on the cope though.

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[-] SarcasticMan@lemmy.world 72 points 2 weeks ago

I mean last I counted he had like 200000 alibis so...

[-] Iheartcheese@lemmy.world 19 points 2 weeks ago

And he looked fabulous doing so

[-] JeeBaiChow@lemmy.world 17 points 2 weeks ago

Maybe the lack of quick access to life saving resources, procedures and experts immediately after the shooting, aka 'healthcare', was what actually killed him?

[-] ellen_musk_0x@lemm.ee 10 points 2 weeks ago

Just leaving this link here for no particular reason:

https://youtu.be/uqH_Y1TupoQ

[-] Orbituary@lemmy.world 9 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

I keep wondering why the shooter had a different color backpack than the one Mangione was caught with. The jacket and hoodie seemed like they were potentially different, but the nose and eyebrows matched.

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