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[-] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 10 points 6 days ago

Wireless tech has improved greatly over the last 20 years. Speed, latency, bandwidth, stability…all generally excellent. 15 years ago I wouldn’t have wanted to use a wireless mouse or LAN connection. Now? NBD. They just work. Still have issues with poor signal in some areas, but mesh range boosters take care of that pretty easily.

[-] PieMePlenty@lemmy.world 6 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

Nah, wifi is pretty good today. I just dont like the consumer devices like the router shown here. Recently redid my wireless and went with a non wifi router, a poe switch and a few access points, connected through ethernet. I wouldnt dream of going back to the conventional one wifi router. Still use wired for stationary devices I can reach with a cable though.. TV, AV, consoles, PC are all wired.

[-] TankovayaDiviziya@lemmy.world 4 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

To be honest, I think a lot of Lemmy users are old and yearn for the older technologies simply because they have been more familiar with them than newer ones. They would have used the first gen of a technology, which may not be efficient, and dismiss it altogether, without realising that subsequent generations of that technology improves over time.

I have had that realisation of cognitive bias when I had Bluetooth headphones back in early 2010s. The wireless connection isn't great and gets cut off every now and then. I dismissed the technology as less efficient than wired earphones. It was over the years with the popularity of airpods that I gave wireless earphones another chance. And honestly, the Bluetooth connectivity vastly improved than I expected and I would not go back to using wired earphones again on regular basis because I don't have to deal with the wires getting tangled or yanked. I only use wired ones as backup if my wireless earphones went missing or broke.

Sorry to say this to OP, but it seems that you're being an old man yelling at the clouds. Look, I'm also old and I admit I have had that moment of yelling at the clouds too. We will have that more moments as we age.

[-] anamethatisnt@lemmy.world 3 points 5 days ago

I have a similar setup to @PieMePlenty@lemmy.world in regards to my home network and I wouldn't dream of removing my wifi network. I still consider wired to be superior though it rarely matters at those latencies.

My Windows laptop on wifi:

My Fedora on wired network:

[-] LittleBorat3@lemmy.world 3 points 5 days ago

Until the clip breaks off...

[-] Donkter@lemmy.world 4 points 5 days ago

You could have 30 clips break and it would still be cheaper.

[-] Gestrid@lemmy.ca 3 points 5 days ago

Given the choice, I'd definitely choose a cable for anything I know will require high internet usage. Wireless is just too slow, even on a 5G connection.

I still remember I once broke my Windows installation (young me had tried dual-booting the Windows 10 beta and my Windows 7 installation). I had to get system restored discs from the manufacturer. It wasn't particularly tricky to fix, but it took a long time to download those Windows updates after it finished. I noticed an immediate change once I remembered I had an old 30 ft. ethernet cable lying around and plugged it in. (This was maybe 8-10 years ago.)

[-] Subverb@lemmy.world 1 points 5 days ago

I'm a cable guy too; it's just better. But you can't get quality CAT6 or better cables for $6.99 anymore.

[-] icecreamtaco@lemmy.world 4 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

Who buys a $300 home wifi box? They're $50-100

[-] Racle@sopuli.xyz 1 points 5 days ago

Depends on usage. If you don't need super fast speeds or low latency, go for cheaper model.

If you need low latency and high speeds (ex. Wireless VR with PC), you need to pay more to get good and stable connection (+ multiple routers as mesh if needed). And more expensive devices have different CPU/RAM which will help you if you have large network + extra security features on.

[-] Malfeasant@lemm.ee 4 points 6 days ago

I set up a mesh router pair a while back - super easy setup, and the speed is good enough to have multiple TVs streaming at once, and without needing to run cables between rooms... Worth it.

[-] AngryMob@lemmy.one 8 points 6 days ago

The problem with wireless isn't speed anymore, its stability. For a lot of applications that's fine since buffering and whatnot hides any hiccups. but gaming for example is a nightmare on wireless still.

[-] PeriodicallyPedantic@lemmy.ca 4 points 6 days ago

I've been playing FPS exclusively on wireless for almost 15 years (802.11n 5ghz) and stability has been fine unless you set up your access point far away from your gaming PC for some reason.

Back then you had to get a pretty nice wireless router to do it, but it still worked fine.
Now days even relatively cheap routers will let you game just fine unless you set up far away from the AP and you're in a pro tournament.

[-] AngryMob@lemmy.one 3 points 6 days ago

If you arent sensitive to jitter, packet loss, etc., and the various ways games react to it, then im happy for you.

Personally, i and many others hate it. It only takes 1 rubber band moment in a shooter to ruin a round, it only takes 1 round to lose a match. Even if you aren't playing super sweaty, its not fun. Even my wife who only games casually noticed the difference between wireless vs wired in a few different shooters after i ran a wire to her new desk. And we do have a good setup overall.

[-] PeriodicallyPedantic@lemmy.ca 6 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

Dude, what you're describing is not a "good setup overall".

I know I'm not sweaty, but what you're talking about goes beyond being "sensitive" or not. Wtf is wrong with your wifi that you're getting any packet loss.

I just ran a speed test multiple times from my phone in another room, and got jitter under 20ms, and packet loss between 0% and 0.1%
My gaming PC with external antenna in the same room as my wireless AP is going to get even better results.
edit: for kicks i tested my wireless gaming PC too:
ping: 2ms
jitter: 0ms
packet loss: 0%

So I'm curious what kind of performance you're expecting to be noticeable to a casual or even sweaty non-pro player.

[-] AngryMob@lemmy.one 1 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

Testing on my phone with a few different services: 0.0 to 0.2% packet loss. 9 to 12 ms jitter. Ping 5 to 25. (Edit: also this is same room but with 4k tv wireless streaming going on)

I'm not claiming to be a network expert on why wireless is noticably worse in practice, i picked out packet loss, jitter, etc randomly, i assumed that's how it manifests. but i'd suspect these tests aren't indicative of actual game netcode. They are short too. The whole point is the stability. If i play for 15 minutes no issue but suddenly have a single rubberband, thats an issue which may not show up in 100 tests.

On wireless i can feel that pretty much every session. Everything fine for a while, then not for a moment, then fine, etc.

On wired i only have an issue if the server itself or my isp itself is having an issue.

[-] PeriodicallyPedantic@lemmy.ca 1 points 5 days ago

Are you connected over 5ghz or 2.4?
2.4ghz overlaps with other consumer devices that cause interference, like microwaves, drones, and cordless (landline) phones. If one of those devices turns on nearby, it could cause that until your router hops bands.

I haven't had this problem with 5ghz (so for over a decade, on my gaming PC).

[-] AngryMob@lemmy.one 1 points 4 days ago

Yeah ive had 5ghz for ages as well. Use a channel scan to try and avoid my couple neighbors, Pretty decent hardware (not isp junk). House is small so max distance is only 1 wall and ~15ft.

Honestly id just guess you arent as sensitive to it. Are you the type who doesn't notice other types of screen related feeling stuff too? Like 60fps vs 120+, input lag, or screen tearing, micro stutter, macro blocking, soap opera effect, etc.?

I've known plenty of people who are more or less sensitive to all the various ways things fuck up.

If you are sensitive to the other things, then who the hell knows lol.

[-] PeriodicallyPedantic@lemmy.ca 1 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

I don't imagine I'm especially sensitive to those kinds of things, but I don't expect I'm especially insensitive to them either.

I personally feel like it's hard to get gamers to honestly self report these things, since being able to notice them is caught up on a lot of macho gamer ego bullshit. Whenever I see semi-rigurous tests, it turns out that people over report how sensitive they are.

So do I notice those things? Yeah, I think I do, but I'm not confident in my ability to self report it.

Have I ever experienced things like rubber banding and lag in the last decade? Of course. But rarely can I attribute it to the wireless network rather than server issues, since typically it'll go away when I change servers.

I will say that, personally, I don't find a lot of value in >120fps unless it's important to read a lot of moving text quickly.

[-] Jimmycakes@lemmy.world 3 points 6 days ago

That one in the picture is $599 isn't it?

[-] Omgboom@lemmy.zip 2 points 6 days ago

What do you plug that cable into??

[-] FrowingFostek@lemmy.world 3 points 6 days ago

Patch panel if you're on the closet side. RJ45 Jack on the station side.

[-] PeriodicallyPedantic@lemmy.ca 1 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

And what is in the closet?

[-] FrowingFostek@lemmy.world 3 points 5 days ago

Usually a two post rack or swing cabinet, some UPS back up batteries, network switches, a chubby telecom guy browsing lemmy.

Ya know, the usual.

[-] PeriodicallyPedantic@lemmy.ca 2 points 5 days ago

Lol sounds like a typical home setup 😛

[-] PieMePlenty@lemmy.world 2 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

Ethernet to USB dock and usb to phone. What, you guys dont use ethernet on your phones?

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