I saw that comment while lurking.

Ngl seeing the meltdown, raging chauvinism and ignorance around minority struggle/liberalism/weird NATO stanning over there kinda informed my decision to make an account here.

I've tried a few trans spaces in the past both irl and online that I ended up leaving because of THAT energy.

Besides you lot seem to be the most trans supportive instance (nobody is erasing people's queerness here because they got confronted on their idiocy) and are actually politically/economically/historically literate.

If I had a comically large newspaper I'd hit them with it is what I'm saying.

Hello everyone 👋

Hope you feel better soon OP

Yeah it's incredibly awful. Why the fuck would anyone say that?

You think people here have been secretly pretending to be queer for THREE FUCKING YEARS just to infiltrate your new queer space? Come on. The left has been doing queer politics a hell of a lot longer than liberals have.

Be gay. Do crime.

assimilationist queers are not your friend, tokenizing yourself to appease your oppressor does nothing but harm your community.

it also just straight up makes no sense. hexbear has had a queer majority long before federating with anyone. we were posting about being trans and gay for 3 years to trick who exactly?

It's because none of these people seem to have ever seen an actual safe space in their lives.

Of course "nobody" uses neopronouns in general society. We all know what would happen if we did. Shame, ridicule, and violence would follow. And we're very attuned to reading online spaces for transphobia as well. Despite what a lot of people would like to think, many online queer spaces are NOT inclusive and safe.

I was an old-school redditor, and I browsed the trans subs for a few months. I saw so much hatred there. The general spaces erased all identities that didn't fit the "mtf" experience, so the trans men stayed away in their own space. Both their space and the general ones were OPENLY hateful of non-binary people for years.

This is one of the first spaces I've ever seen online that is truly inclusive. The neopronoun options are already there, you don't have to ask for them. Everyone is forced to show their pronouns, none of this "well mine are normal" garbage. There is a culture that promotes repressed voices.

And when some people see this, they can't even fathom it. To them, being "an ally" means allowing trans people to wear a pronoun pin and respecting those pronouns so long as they are "normal" enough, then carrying on with life as normal. If queer discussions ever start taking place in the open, they get uncomfortable because they're not used to it. If someone who uses any pronoun besides they or she or he, they get uncomfortable. This is transphobia. They just don't recognize it as such.

Lemmy liberals explaining why calling NATO imperialist magically makes you cishet:

yea these claims are very malicious. their default assumption is that 'this person is tankie therefore not LGBTQ+'.

the default assumption should be to believe that the person is saying they're gay in good faith.

The entire "how can you have that many different pronouns" discourse is by far the dumbest thing i've seen since the start of our federation, and it isn't just painfully cringe and ignorant and a clear sign that these people lack any and all experience with queer spaces unless you count r/196 and the trans category on pornhub, it is simply outright, open transphobia to deny peoples' gender identity. That's the very core of transphobic sentiment, to deny us our right to gendered self determination.

It's sad to see these reactionaries have now also extended their attacks to other parts of the queer community, but it isn't surprising. These people always start with what they perceive to be the easy targets, but it's part and parcel of reactionary persecution campaigns to expand the outgropups they go after. This, besides the moral imperative of solidarity, is the strategic reasoning behind "an injury to one of us is an injury to all of us."

We cannot tolerate such attacks on our queer comrades anywhere on lemmy. The perpetrators should be hunted down wherever we find them, and we should make it a cross-instance effort to make lemmy a safer space for queer people, and an extremely unsafe space for queerphobes of all kind. I propose that federated instances share blocklists of queerphobic users so that eventual bans can be extended to other instances preemptively. In a day and age were our community faces the worst attacks since the AIDS pandemic, we must look out for and protect each other.

It is heartening to see in the followup thread they asked us not to participate in that there's a bunch of Blahaj users supporting us and pushing back against stuff like that.

My entire family disowned me after I came out. If I hadn't already been working a pretty great job that allowed me to be fully self-sufficient I would've been homeless for sure. And in the time since, I've met some incredible people. I've loved and been loved by, helped and been helped by, and had my world enlarged and enriched by some of the most beautiful people in the world. Anyone who would think to negate that because I would like to see society improved somewhat is welcome to take a short jump into a deep mineshaft.

It is extremely hurtful. I live in fear every day because of homophobia and hate crimes, yet I'm a fake gay because I don't share the same beliefs as a westerner? What the hell?

Do gays in the global south/third world not exist to them? Do I have to become some comparador for the west to be gay? Why would I even do that when South Africa legalised LGBT rights before any of the western nations they are from? Despite all our homophobia and bigotry, we still managed to legalise LGBT rights before them. How does this work. It sounds like they're doing the whole LGBT is western decadence shit, but unironically.

There is no queer liberation under capitalism. There is no queer liberation under capitalism. There is no queer liberation under capitalism. There is no queer liberation under capitalism. There is no queer liberation under capitalism. There is no queer liberation under capitalism. There is no queer liberation under capitalism. There is no queer liberation under capitalism. There is no queer liberation under capitalism. There is no queer liberation under capitalism.

Western ally behavior is so selfish. Once it gets uncomfortable for the "ally" or they have their beliefs challenged, queer people become much less human in their eyes and need to be discredited somehow.

It makes me furious how few online spaces are truly safe for the community, don't doubt that there are tons of cis comrades who see you as completely valid with no strings or nefarious bullshit attached.

I'm still a baby budding imposter feeling queer but fortunately I was also raised a cis het man so when someone tells me that I'm not queer I have the socialized energy to say "how dare you tell me what I'm not!"

How dare anyone tell any of my comrades, queer, trans, or otherwise, what they aren't. You are who you are whoever you are. You're all heckin valid. We're all heckin valid. Send those bad beans to me I'll smash em if they tell you otherwise

listen jack....errrr you're not queer if you dont vote for me

Yeah fuck blahaj tbh, that thread was depressing to read, there is no benefit to association with those people

It's been removed by the mods now fyi.

I love my queer comrades

Its kinda fucked they didnt ban that user, maybe theyll get to it

Running into comments like this has been my least favorite part of federation, it's just jarring how open transphobia sits around in other parts of the Internet, and then we're not even allowed to comment on it because its in the meta thread of on blahaj

The one in the new thread was removed but they weren't banned and haven't apologized

I wouldn’t be too much of a stones throw to say those people are s who have had economic privilege that has negated some of the difficulties other queer people have faced. I say that because why else would they hold on to lib values.

In what I've read (in the newest blahaj thread) our queer solidarity is the most cited reason to keep our communities together. I'm sorry for the unnecessary pain you've been through.

Please stop calling me a lib, that's malarkey. I'm ackshually a bidenomics maga communist [̲̅$̲̅(̲̅ ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°̲̅)̲̅$̲̅]