You forgot the part where the komodo dragon's "promised land" was full of Phoenician Canaanites they had to genocide first.
You mean "was full of tasty snacks".
The irony would be even greater if they were kicking out birds who they accused of displacing the ancient Dinosaurs.
The problem is that this argument can really be made both ways. If someone said Israel shouldn't exist because Palestinians used to live there before that, that's just essentially the same argument.
Israel shouldn't exist because it's a colonial apartheid state perpetrating a genocide. That doesn't mean every non-palestinian has to leave either.
But saying that Israel shouldn't exist doesn't mean that the Israelis have to leave
Neither argument hold any merit and is an example of the tyranny of history. Who cares what a bunch of dead assholes thought was theirs? The people who live there (not the politicians who pretend to represent their interests) are the only people that have any legitimate claim to authority on what should be done about the region.
It is especially meritless to equate people who claim the land based on other people sharing their religion having lived there a thousand years ago, with people whose grandparents got kicked out of their houses and who've had to live in an open air prison ever since while being subjected to regular attempts at ethnic cleansing.
In my world understanding colonialism was never good, but anything after ww2 is just invalid. There needs to be some cut off date where we say "at this point everyone knew and we had international laws against genocide" after which it just becomes invalid and any land claimed afterwards is not recognized or supported.
Israel was definitely too late to the colonial party and kinda should be considered illegitimate.
A little convenient that the cutoff date is after Europeans divided the world for themselves.
right? all colonial states are illegitimate
Ofcourse they are, but if you go back to times where colonialism was the norm and in no way internationally frowned upon, then not a single current day country would be legitimate. So it kinda makes sense to set the cut off at a point where colonialism was at an all time low, because if you dont then all you get is world war.
Israel as a state or the Israeli people? Because most of the jewish immigration to Palestine happened before 1945
No it didn't. Most of the Jews came after the Palestine nakba/massacre which made Jews feel unsafe in the middle east (jeez I wonder why, but also not their fault.) the Jews who came before the independence were all European terrorist who built armed settlements and militas Far away from Palestinans and Palestinan Jews as they didn't support them.
Let's read it charitably. Maybe they mean more middle eastern Jews moved to Palestine in the last 6000 years than did europeans in the last 50.
Thing is, most likely Palestinians are descendants of Jews who lived in Palestine, who were once the caanites of Canaan and so on and so forth. The Jews who over time converted to islam, (but not all, Christians and Jews still very much exist tho not sure about numbers) before 1918 the Jewish population was a 56,000 thousand and many of those were immigrants by 1939 they were almost half a million
And Jews that converted to Christianity under the Romans/Byzantines and then converted to Islam. Israel focuses on calling them Arabs to imply they migrated from the Arabian peninsula but that's not what happened. They were arabized by Arabian rulers that migrated. It's not like the berbers ceased to exist, but somehow Israel wants us to think the levant was mystically empty.
There's a guy in southwest England whose family didn't leave the village for 9000 years.
Inbreeding mastery level: British
"Vegeta, what does the scouter say about his inbreeding levels?"
"IT'S OVER 9000 YEARS!"
Even better is that the guy is 42 with no kids. I get that we all technically have ancestry that goes back to the first life on the planet, but this guy suddenly happens to have verified family lineage that goes back farther than any other human on the entire planet... And he's the last one.
I pray that he consciously chose not to have kids... I know how soul destroying it can be to want to have kids but not be able to. But this guy... He suddenly, because someone needed a warm body to fill out their numbers to a nice round number, is directly confronted by a family lineage 9000 years old. And he's the last. What an absolute mind fuck.
H-how did they get spouses? Nevermind, I probably don't want to know.
Spouses can move to the village, it's just that the children never leave.
At least one parent was born in the village.
Does this also apply to Native Americans or...?
Native Americans have a different claim. They are not claiming their ancestors give them the right to use the land. They have agreements with the US government. The US then promptly turned around and ignored their promises. The native Americans have the receipts.
Agreements about historical land ownership only apply to white people!
Depicting Zionists as lizards isn't great.
Oh look, someone who thinks all Jews are Zionists and all Zionists are Jewish! I honestly thought they were extinct.
That's not the case at all, you can look at my post history if you want to know the things I think.
It's just you generally want to avoid antisemitic tropes when you're talking about Zionists because antisemites say Zionist when they mean Jew.
yes exactly - don't use an anti-Semitic trope when criticizing Zionism, lest you be confused for an anti-Semite; this weakens the meme significantly and for no good reason (other than maybe to pick up support from conspiracy nuts and right-wingers by using a dog-whistle while still being palatable to people who don't see the dog-whistle, but this is a bug rather than a feature in my book)
Hungarian ultra-nationalists: "Since your kind was under my ancestor's rule, you have to rejoin my country and learn my language, or else you're a [incoherent antisemitic screaming]!"
Seagulls be like...
So all white people in america and africa should fuck off back to europe?
So, listen, I'm not making a case for all of them, but...
Seriously though white people fucked stuff up for native americans and africans pretty hard, and just because it's not discussed in the slightest and everyone (white people) pretend it's not an issue, it doesn't mean it's not an issue. It's less about white people though, and more about capital class that upholds the status quo, the by-product of which is the white supremacy - and that is very parrarel to the zionist claim.
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