Anon talks about Joe Rogan : greentext

[-] thefatone@startrek.website 13 points 2 years ago

Seems to me a lot of people here pretty hostile to Joe. I can only say he has been more than open and interacted with good faith with guests that I listen to than anyone in "media". His talk with Bernie Sanders and his agreement with certain aspects of Sanders agenda should dismiss the claim that he's a libertarian shill. I try to approach him as a topic in good faith as well.

He's being called a neandertal because he seems to agree with a lot of fringe opinions. I try to think of how I would react if talking to a person who I have no idea about their area of expertise and how I would deal with claims that they make. Sure he gives a voice to cranks, but he also gives voice to people across the spectrum, some that I actually want other people to hear from. That's kind of what free speech is about right there.

[-] muddi@hexbear.net 13 points 2 years ago

Freedom of speech is about not being censored by the government, not private citizens hosting a platform for a spectrum of opinions.

Compare it to something like freedom of religion: should private citizens engage in a spectrum of religious rituals, including violent rituals of extreme cults?

The issue isn't how enthusiastic individual private citizens are about the freedoms granted to them from the government. Someone may truly enjoy yelling "fire" in public buildings, but the effect on the public is what causes concern.

Should you censor a person for this? That's another debate, but I'm just explaining where the concern, assuming you have concern, should be placed.

[-] thefatone@startrek.website 5 points 2 years ago

True, there are limits to freedom of speech. But aren't you disturbed by the control that people in society are exerting on the narratives that we are allowed to question? With or without government involvement. I'm talking about big techmedia here, and the power they have to set the narrative entirely with or without the government involved. I mean the tools that they put into play to stop right wing misinformation (not saying most of it isn't misinformation) can be just flipped over on the left when the left starts threatening institutions down the road.

[-] muddi@hexbear.net 13 points 2 years ago

Then the left should continue to build decentralized alternatives. Dual power is the only practical solution for when institutions are captured by reactionaries to suppress the left.

[-] silent_water@hexbear.net 7 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

this has to include more than platforms for people to talk on - in a moment of crisis, no one involved is going to be posting on lemmy or mastodon, except to give public reports. real resilient communications infrastructure needs to be point to point, encrypted, and it must avoid normal internet infrastructure. if it touches a corporate router, it can and will be suppressed by the state in the name of crushing the left.

moreover, dual power must include mutual aid and mutual defense if it's to actually live up to the name. platforms to talk online with comrades are nice and all but it doesn't on it's own build any kind of base of power.

[-] muddi@hexbear.net 6 points 2 years ago

Absolutely true, social media presence is hardly the material conditions necessary for a revolution. The structures to be replaced run deeper than which website you use

[-] thefatone@startrek.website 6 points 2 years ago

100% Love it!

load more comments (1 replies)

[-] Dukeofdummies@kbin.social 10 points 2 years ago

He’s being called a neanderthal because he seems to agree with a lot of fringe opinions.

I mean that's just a symptom of the biggest complaint about him. He's really gullible. He's not malicious, but god damn he does not notice a liar when a liar is in front of him. Genuinely I do love his long form content, I love how people can go off topic with him, but some of the people he brings on really should be going in front of Jon Stewart instead.

Like... here's an example of someone clearly lying, dodging questions, and genuinely being sketchy. He's gotten a bit better but would Joe Rogan push this hard against somebody? If someone dodges his question, how well does he bring the topic back to it? Joe Rogan is great when everyone is there in good faith, but would you want him in your corner if you're stuck in a timeshare conference?

load more comments (1 replies)

[-] TunaCowboy@lemmy.world 10 points 2 years ago

That's kind of what free speech is about right there.

Nothing you described has anything to do with free speech.

[-] Leviathan@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago

What listening to Joe does to a mf.

load more comments (1 replies)

[-] gmtom@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago

I can only say he has been more than open and interacted with good faith with guests that I listen to than anyone in "media". His talk with Bernie Sanders and his agreement with certain aspects of Sanders agenda should dismiss the claim that he's a libertarian shill.

"He agreed with Bernie on like 2 things (because he just goes along with whatever the last person to talk to him beleives) so all of his comments about covid being fake or Jan 6th being a false flag are irrelevant and he's definitely nit a right wing shill guys. Freeze peach!!"

load more comments (3 replies)

[-] oregoncom@hexbear.net 5 points 2 years ago

He's friends with Alex Jones. Fuck off.

[-] autismdragon@hexbear.net 5 points 2 years ago

Idk Joe's podcast helped galvanize my former friend's radicalization to the right so I don't really have much sympathy for a fair look at what he does. He'll say "oh he had Bernie on though" too but meanwhile only talk about how awesome Peterson and Shapiro are.

load more comments (13 replies)

[-] dditty@lemm.ee 12 points 2 years ago

[-] ebenixo@sh.itjust.works 9 points 2 years ago

Man's got tiny soda can nipples

load more comments (1 replies)

[-] Hadriscus@lemm.ee 11 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Fuck me this is hilarious Jo Raw Khan

[-] ashenblood@sh.itjust.works 11 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

While I understand and respect the dunking in light of his detrimental effect on politics and sanity in general, I feel it's disingenuous to imply he's stupid. He's just smart enough to be dangerous

load more comments (4 replies)

[-] lukini@beehaw.org 6 points 2 years ago

This isn't greentext.

[-] driving_crooner@lemmy.eco.br 6 points 2 years ago

Listening to the podcast "History of philosophy without any gaps" there's some philosophers, specially in middle age Arabic societies, that had the patronage of warlords, and would change patron for the new warlords who killed their previous one.

load more comments (1 replies)

> Greentext