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submitted 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) by sit@lemmy.dbzer0.com to c/asklemmy@lemmy.world

Is it bots? Are those humans whos mission is to cause chaos? Is the weird behaviour caused by the creation of the concept of lemmy?

Somebody please explain to me wtf is going on.

They answer destructive comments, assuming shit, demanding shit. Are they trolls?

Are they being paid for causing chaos? It’s insane

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[-] neidu3@sh.itjust.works 98 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

It's a combination of tankies and some more level headed leftists. They do have a decent proportion of OK users and the occasional decent meme, but the frequent genocide denialism and too many tankies have resulted in a lot of blocks and bans.

[-] massive_bereavement@fedia.io 77 points 4 months ago

The "Just Kidding, but maybe not" kind of memes are both common in the tankie group as well in the right-wing group, which makes me thing it's just the same people with different costumes, also known as a reskinned model.

[-] swirle13@lemmy.world 16 points 4 months ago

Sounds like political compass shit, left or right, but primarily in the "authoritarian" top half

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[-] Eldritch@lemmy.world 43 points 4 months ago

Authoritarians are authoritarian first. Left or right is an afterthought. No horseshoes required.

[-] blaue_Fledermaus@mstdn.io 14 points 4 months ago

That is the base of the horseshoe theory.

[-] Eldritch@lemmy.world 16 points 4 months ago

Only if you have a juvenile concept of political Spectrum. That only extends across one dimension. Leninists are barely nominally left-wing. In practice most of them are State capitalist and not at all left wing.

In practice social Democrats and even Democratic socialists tend to be more left-leaning than leninists. And don't feel a reactionary need to Slaughter or imprison those that disagree with them regularly. I mean if we are going by the providing social benefit to your chosen class of people qualifies a socialism. Then that would make the Nazis socialist. Which they most definitely we're not.

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[-] actually@lemmy.world 16 points 4 months ago

I’m sort of new to Lemmy, having only been here a few months, and I started my first account here in world, the one I am commenting with.

What I found is that world has many cool and fun and interesting communities, but for news ( world or USA centered) is really centralist USA based. World has cut off access to many other cool and interesting communities that may have different viewpoints here and there.

I think the few experiences by trolls here from other communities is more of a walled garden thing, and if world has a more inclusive mix this would solve a lot of issues .

Me migrating to another instance still allows me to participate here in world, and I simply ignore what I don’t like here and elsewhere.

Honestly, world has as many issues with gatekeeping and power hungry mods as instances and the only way to get the full lemmy experience is to pick and chose what fits best with oneself

[-] spankmonkey@lemmy.world 25 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

I think the few experiences by trolls here from other communities is more of a walled garden thing, and if world has a more inclusive mix this would solve a lot of issues .

You say be more inclusive of tankies and I say learn about the paradox of tolerance.

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[-] fastfinge@rblind.com 76 points 4 months ago

All responsible server admins have them defederated. Hate speech and genocide denial, that is almost certainly against the law in Canada, Germany, and other places. We defederated lemmygrad for the same reason.

[-] sit@lemmy.dbzer0.com 23 points 4 months ago

I specifically chose my instance because it’s not blocked or being blocked by too many instances.

I’d rather judge myself what I want to be exposed to.

I guess server admins who haven’t defederated them are either with them ORRR they put more responsibility towards their users.

[-] fastfinge@rblind.com 21 points 4 months ago

Or they live in a country where genocide denial is legal. I live in Canada and my server is in Canada. I’m not willing to take the risk so my users can interact with assholes.

[-] DragonsInARoom@lemmy.world 14 points 4 months ago

I thought the same thing, but got worn down by the constant negativity and rage.

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[-] ech@lemm.ee 74 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

They were founded after being kicked off reddit, then self isolated from the fediverse for years, creating the echoiest of echo chambers. It's like those Appalachian families that were so isolated they basically developed their own culture, language and all. They've spent too long "struggle sessioning" together and driven out any of the more reasonable users with their purity tests. They think they're the "true" Lemmy users and only refederated to "spread the word" and antagonize all the "liberals" (read: anyone that's not 100% with them). The one thing I dislike about my server is that they haven't defederated from that place.

[-] sxan@midwest.social 25 points 4 months ago

It's like those Appalachian families that were so isolated they basically developed their own culture, language and all.

Very apt description. You forgot the inbreeding part; very much relevant for Hexbear.

[-] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 14 points 4 months ago

and antagonize all the "liberals" (read: anyone that's not 100% with them).

Yup

[-] squid_slime@lemm.ee 12 points 4 months ago

I mean.. Fuck liberals though

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[-] RobotToaster@mander.xyz 44 points 4 months ago

It's where r/chapotraphouse went after it got banned from reddit.

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[-] Eldritch@lemmy.world 42 points 4 months ago

Thankfully those of us on world have not had to deal with them for the better part of a year. There's so much wrong there it's kind of hard to know where to begin.

All I will really say for now is that they are perfect anti advocates for the things at the surface level they advocate for.

[-] sit@lemmy.dbzer0.com 41 points 4 months ago

You would think having a healthy discourse and talking to each other, exchanging ideas would be better to proliferate a certain ideology.

All they do is try to insult or demand one is an all knowing being. Some read my comment and assume I’m from us and have to know every agency there is.

If they want to bring their ideologies out there they should stop trying to be destructive. All they accomplish is a negative image of their movement.

It’s like a 14 yo has learned about communism and is now super edgy towards everybody because he thinks he’s hacked the system.

[-] towerful@programming.dev 12 points 4 months ago

They existed on their own Lemmy instance for years before federating at some point last year.
So, they likely had their own way of interacting, commenting, moderating etc that worked for them, that they had used/built/developed themselves (I mean systems & rules, not software) for years.
And they federated shortly after the Reddit API exodus.
So an echo chamber of extreme left wing users suddenly getting to interact with a whole bunch of new people, and an inrush of more mainstream users. It made for an interesting 6 or so months.

I haven't had any bad interactions with them directly, however I have seen and disagreed with a lot of their behaviour.
Not sure if I have their instance blocked, or if my instance has defederated them.

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[-] alcoholicorn@lemmy.ml 13 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Thankfully those of us on world have not had to deal with them for the better part of a year.

.world was never federated with hexbear, .world defederated "preemptively, as a last resort"

This perception is common on .world because some liberals have been lying about hexbear to encourage censoring the left even before then.

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[-] Blaze@sopuli.xyz 30 points 4 months ago

!meanwhileongrad@sh.itjust.works

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[-] PixelatedSaturn@lemmy.world 28 points 4 months ago

Demented illogical people. Also angry and bloodthirsty. Best to not interact. Waste of time.

[-] ModestMeme@lemm.ee 23 points 4 months ago

The fringes of the political “wings” (left and right) seem similar to me, not so much in policy but in the rabid, simplistic attitudes and outright derision constantly sputtered.

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[-] xapr@lemmy.sdf.org 23 points 4 months ago

I just don't get all the anti-hexbear hate I see on other Lemmy servers. Questioning your mainstream/western/capitalist beliefs and arguing about it shouldn't be ground for blocking them. I have yet to see any egregious behavior from them. Sure, I see somewhat outrageous takes on their own hosted communities, but have yet to see them cross the line on other servers.

[-] klemptor@startrek.website 21 points 4 months ago

Setting aside the content of their comments, I have often found their commenting style to be obnoxious or rude. They're free to do their thing of course, but since I'm not into it, I've blocked that instance. Over time I've seen fewer and fewer comments from hexbear users, and I imagine that's because some instances have chosen to defederate from them.

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[-] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 23 points 4 months ago

Hexbear isn't being paid for anything, they are largely made up of Anarchists and Marxist-Leninists. Hexbear has been unafilliated with Lemmy for years before integrating with Lemmy a year ago.

You might be seeing their zero tolerance policy for liberalism in action, but if you genuinely want to know what their users are about, just visit it. Just hop on over to Hexbear.net and scroll the news megathread and whatnot, try to understand what's going on.

Finally, I want to question why you believe anyone would be paid to mess with Lemmy, moreover when the lead developers are aligned fairly closely on ideological lines. If they were here to "cause chaos," why would the devs support them ideologically? To ruin their own network? That narrative is just a wild hypothesis.

[-] chloroken@lemmy.ml 20 points 4 months ago

Hexbear is sweet. Those people care more about the average human than liberals could ever imagine. If you dont understand them, try learning instead of being confused forever. I post this knowing I'll get dunked by .world, but this is what solidarity looks like.

[-] Danitos@reddthat.com 21 points 4 months ago

They care about the average human

Just 2 months ago they were celebrating the death of inocent civilians in 9/11 as if it was a holiday.

[-] sad_detective_man 12 points 4 months ago

my ex and i incorporated 9/11 jokes into our sex life five years ago. it's been long enough

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[-] cm0002@lemmy.world 13 points 4 months ago

Ah spoken like a true Tankie.

[-] BearOfaTime@lemm.ee 13 points 4 months ago

Hahahaha, right, right, which is exemplified with them telling people to die, right?

Take your gaslighting elsewhere.

[-] IDKWhatUsernametoPutHereLolol@lemmy.dbzer0.com 16 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Different instance, different ideology.

Example: there used to be a nazi insrance called exploding-heads.com (or was it .net?anyways, doesnt matter), basically you just dont interact with them, eventually they got defedersted by many instances.

Lemmygrad and Hexbear are Marxist Leninists, the same ideology of USSR and China. Get it now?

If you disagree, just block their instance in your user settings.

Unfortunately, blocking an instance in settings don't block their users from commenting in other instance's communities. So you gotta either (1) use an app to block the users too, or (2) find an instance that defederates them.

[-] sit@lemmy.dbzer0.com 22 points 4 months ago

What I really like about lemmy is the system critical mentality.

I don’t have a problem with people having different political ideologies. But I think that constructive discourse is in everyone interest. These people dgaf. They are everything but constructive.

[-] radix@lemmy.world 28 points 4 months ago

Regardless of ideology, there are just some people with whom you will never be able to have a rational discussion.

Tankie authoritarians...maga incels...the block button works on them all.

[-] Carrolade@lemmy.world 13 points 4 months ago

Ahhh, that's what the alt-right instance was called. Thank you. I was consistently getting hexbear and exploding heads crossed in my head. For ... some reason.

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[-] Churbleyimyam@lemm.ee 14 points 4 months ago

Can't say I've noticed a problem tbh.

[-] seathru@lemmy.sdf.org 14 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Me neither. Of course I have the instance blocked and every user I see comment; so that probably helps.

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[-] yarr@feddit.nl 13 points 4 months ago

Nope, just good ol' fashioned communists! Beware the red scare!

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