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This is a genuine question.

I have a hard time with this. My righteous side wants him to face an appropriate sentence, but my pessimistic side thinks this might have set a great example for CEOs to always maintain a level of humanity or face unforseen consequences.

P.S. this topic is highly controversial and I want actual opinions so let's be civil.

And if you're a mod, delete this if the post is inappropriate or if it gets too heated.

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[-] ericbomb@lemmy.world 7 points 3 months ago

I am a pacifist, and I recognize the danger of encouraging/pardoning vigilantism. There are people I feel are heroes, who others view as villains. People should argue, debate, and put pressure as much as possible with non violence... but that is clearly not working for the ultra wealthy who are so insulated from 99.9% of what we can do.

The murdered man was, even by US capitalist standards, excessively evil. In a functioning and just system he would have had life in prison with no chance of parole for 1000+ counts of at the very least man slaughter for the millions of people whose health care was delayed or prevented. The world is a slightly better place without that level of extreme greed and heartlessness in it.

I also feel like the main point of prison "SHOULD" be Prevention and Rehabilitation. Which if the Attacker was personally harmed by a CEO and lashed out, I don't think prison can accomplish either for him. I guess the US gov probably disagrees and thinks he should be rehabilitated as someone who is okay with being exploited by CEOs.

But I do want all evidence laid out, I want a jury to determine if he's unhinged and a danger to others, or someone who was hurt on a fundamental level and lashed out. We of course assume it's the second one, but we don't know yet.

Juries and judges will sometimes use the kid gloves when dealing with people who kill their abusers, and I think a light sentence with the message of "murder is wrong... but so is allowing thousands to die to increase profits. So maybe don't be so evil people wouldn't mind giving up 10 years of their lives to see you removed from this world" would be fine.

... but also if this becomes another one of a million unsolved cases, I won't lose a wink of sleep about it.

[-] answersplease77@lemmy.world 7 points 3 months ago

it's like someone revenging from the r4p1st of their daughter, who got away with it and was getting rich from it.
It is revenge from someone who destroyed their life. On top it's someone you don't have any legal route for justice against them.

So my answer is he should not be sentenced to anything more than 5 months max.

[-] noxy@yiffit.net 7 points 3 months ago

No.

Failing that, jury nullification is always an option - jurors have the right to return a not guilty verdict even if a defendant is clearly guilty.

[-] LonelyWendigo@lemmy.world 5 points 3 months ago

The first rule of jury nullification is that we don't talk about jury nullification.

[-] noxy@yiffit.net 5 points 3 months ago

Certainly not during jury selection

[-] yamanii@lemmy.world 7 points 3 months ago
[-] P00ptart@lemmy.world 7 points 3 months ago

I want them to put an effort to find the guy, but ultimately I hope they never catch him. This dude is a hero, even if not for what he did, but the fear that he instilled in evil executives. It's much bigger than just the one guy. It's already made blue cross/blue shield change a fucked up policy. Even if this type of vigilante justice never happens again, the possibility of it must be in the back of every executives mind, and that alone should be enough to make the world slightly better. Even if just a little.

[-] leadore@lemmy.world 5 points 3 months ago

If he did it to instill fear in health insurance executives as a deterrent, then that means it was an act of terror. As an act of terror, that means the murdered CEO's life insurance company does not have to pay out. Claim denied.

[-] sanguinepar@lemmy.world 6 points 3 months ago

Of course he should be prosecuted.

Regardless of what the victim has done or was doing you can't have a society where it's regarded as ok to intentionally walk up to someone on the street and murder them. That way lies anarchy and madness.

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[-] HipsterTenZero@dormi.zone 6 points 3 months ago
[-] ABCDE@lemmy.world 6 points 3 months ago

Of course, it's still murder, that's why there is a judiciary. But, the system should also be better, and not allow people to be cheated out of their lives by profiteering goblins.

[-] pingveno@lemmy.world 6 points 3 months ago

Even after hearing how much of a total POS shit the CEO is, yes. That's just a basic part of the rule of law. You murder someone, you get prosecuted. It's a really dangerous path for a society when it's open season to outright murder people when they're unpopular.

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[-] Rogue@feddit.uk 6 points 3 months ago

Actions have consequences. It's important we have precedents that the world is just

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[-] ipkpjersi@lemmy.ml 6 points 3 months ago

No. He did a heroic act and should not be punished.

[-] pendulum_@lemmy.world 5 points 3 months ago

The comments here are what has prompted me to stop using Lemmy altogether. Farewell.

[-] frog_brawler@lemmy.world 6 points 3 months ago
[-] nimble 5 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

This is not a lemmy problem. This is an everywhere problem. If you find a platform not talking about it then it is being heavily moderated and you're going to be in an echo chamber. For instance Facebook had a United health memorial post with 25x more "haha" reactions than heart/ sad reactions.

Best of luck though

Edit: wall street journal has called this a "nationwide outpouring of anger and frustration"

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[-] ZMoney@lemmy.world 5 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

I'd like him to be eventually prosecuted, but chronologically. So prosecute every corporate murderer, every war criminal former president, every judge who sentenced innocent people to their deaths, etc. Prosecute all of the murderers who are currently free, and when you're done with all of them, you can prosecute this guy.

[-] IphtashuFitz@lemmy.world 5 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

I recall seeing videos posted to Reddit and other social media from a number of years ago. An alleged child rapist (murderer?) was handcuffed and being escorted through the airport by police, with TV camera crews following along. The father of the victim was waiting at a bank of pay phones, as if he was using one. As the group walked by, the father walked towards them, shot and killed the man, and immediately surrendered to the police.

Although it seemed like a clear cut case of premeditated murder I recall he got off with a very minimal sentence. If this guy is caught and tried then I really hope for a similar outcome.

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[-] Dhrystone@infosec.pub 5 points 3 months ago

Yes.

The three Change Healthcare letters I got in the mail informing me of a gigantic data breach compromising my health information, SSN and more tell me that other people also need to be prosecuted.

[-] camelbeard@lemmy.world 5 points 3 months ago

Yes because killing people is wrong.

Look the CEO probably deserved to get shot, but a society can't function without some basic rules, like killing is bad.

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