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This guy's dad is the former VP of a multibillion dollar Turkish conglomerate, as well as the secretary of a government department. Mom and Dad were able to fly to their other home in NJ to give birth so he'd get US citizenship. His uncle is the founder and owner of TYT Media and gave him his media career. He went to Rutgers. He lives in a multimillion dollar mansion in the Hollywood Hills. This is by definition not the kind of person who can be a voice of the People. Saying "I recognize my privilege" over and over, while living his lifestyle, doesn't negate his privilege and complete lack of real-life experience outside of the curated garden of the wealthy. He gets paid obscene amounts of cash to sit in his bedroom and word-vomit for 9 hours a day. Why are his unending opinions taken so seriously? He gives me strong controlled opposition vibes.

Edit: Thank you all for this discussion. I learned a lot.

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[-] ZebulonP@lemmy.world 66 points 7 months ago

I can give you my two cents. Currently, there aren't many left leaning pundits, and I won't look a gift horse in the mouth. His privilege means nothing if he's actually being a good progressive advocate. Also, he's actually talking about the things the left populace actually care about. Controlled opposition wouldn't look like him to me. They'd be more like the Democrat party, trying to copitulate with the right. He's been fairly consistent with his messaging of workers rights, lgbtq rights, womens rights, and the atrocities happening in Gaza. His income from streaming is incidental, and isn't a problem in and of itself. In fact, it lets him be independent and not beholden to corporate media. It's hard enough to afford bills working a regular job. The vast majority of regular jobs take all your time, leaving none for anything else, much less being a left leaning advocate online. I'm assuming you'd rather a full-time employee take his place, but how would someone like that be able to be effective in their advocacy?

[-] extremeboredom@lemmy.world 10 points 7 months ago

Maybe I'm just an old fart annoyed by the loudmouthed sarcastic child of immense privilege preaching about things he'll never understand. As long as he's saying what the people want to hear, I guess. A new leftist Rush Limbaugh for 2024, great. I'm on the left and I'm just exhausted. IDK.

[-] Schmoo@slrpnk.net 39 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

I disagree that it's impossible for someone coming from a place of privilege to understand working-class politics. Of course, people with privilege do have a tendency to create or buy into justifications for the system that upholds their position, but at the same time privilege grants people the freedom to do what those without cannot. It's admirable for someone with that background to use their privilege for the good of all, potentially even to their own detriment.

It seems your distaste for Hasan is based on surface-level appearances and vibes, but those same traits that put you off of Hasan are very appealing to a large number of young men who are otherwise susceptible to right-wing cultural framing. I also used to avoid Hasan because he just didn't seem like someone I would identify with, and I was put off by the react content that made me associate him with shameless react streamers who leech off other people's work. After actually listening to him I realized he is very knowledgeable and is actually adding value to the content he reacts to. He used his privilege to study political science and become a political commentator, and he has genuine passion for his work and a commitment to progressive values.

Edit: If you're looking for someone with a similar perspective but without the aesthetic baggage try The Majority Report with Sam Seder

[-] extremeboredom@lemmy.world 8 points 7 months ago

Thanks for your response. Yes, it must be a personality thing, combined with a generational difference. Can you see how it comes across as disingenuous as a member of the working class to be spoken down to by a millionaire streamer? Similarly to how some LGBT allyship advocacy from cishet people comes across as blissfully unaware of the actual struggles of LGBT people.

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[-] ZebulonP@lemmy.world 23 points 7 months ago

I get the sentiment. But I don't need to be lgbtq to be an advocate for their rights. I just want people to be able to be who/what they want and thrive. Compared to them I'm privileged (white cishet male), but I doubt they'd complain about me being an ally.

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[-] yogthos@lemmy.ml 50 points 7 months ago
[-] telepresence@discuss.tchncs.de 14 points 7 months ago

this is hard as fuck holy

[-] macabrett@lemmy.ml 8 points 7 months ago

Also, class is not defined by wealth, but by relation to labor. He is doing the work he is getting paid for, regardless of whether someone thinks its too much. He's not exploiting others to make that money as far as I know.

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[-] AnneVolin@lemmy.ml 7 points 7 months ago

Moving to LA to buy a multi-million dollar house and be close to your other rich content creator friends is the same as setting yourself on fire for the proles.

Got it.

[-] GissaMittJobb@lemmy.ml 22 points 7 months ago

Fwiw, the picture doesn't show someone setting themselves on fire, it shows someone having lit a Molotov cocktail.

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[-] Vanth@reddthat.com 43 points 7 months ago

Is this a "no true Scotsman" thing where only poor people with a blue collar work history are worthy of being listened to?

[-] extremeboredom@lemmy.world 9 points 7 months ago

No. It's a "tired of the dropping standards" thing where I'm dissatisfied with the fact that the biggest voice of our political movement is a loud condescending nepo baby who sits in his bedroom playing video games, watching youtube, and reading Reddit posts for a living, and can't realistically claim to have any idea about the lives of the oppressed classes he claims to champion.

[-] small44@lemmy.world 24 points 7 months ago

I guess you want political and social "activists" to have a pathetic life and can't have fun and do fun activities like playing games. What make you think that he doesn't read interesting book etc to educate himself about certain issues? Your use of personal attacks remove all your credibility.

[-] Vanth@reddthat.com 12 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

TBH, I don't know much about him and read the first few paragraphs of his Wikipedia page. It says while born in New Jersey, he grew up in Turkey under Erdogan, then back to the US to study poli sci. Seems like growing up under a democracy sliding back into authoritarianism would be relevant experience. Your description of him as a "nepo baby" seems quite incomplete and makes me wonder if your perception of him is charged by emotion rather than fact.

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[-] compostgoblin@slrpnk.net 11 points 7 months ago

Is Hasan Piker really the biggest voice on the political left?

[-] AnneVolin@lemmy.ml 9 points 7 months ago

Depends on what you define left, but if it's left of the DNC and corporate media than he's one of the biggest no doubt about it.

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[-] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 28 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Hasan occupies a niche within the broad "leftist" umbrella niche within the West. Unlike many breadtubers, he actually doesn't serve as much of a barrier for further leftist movement (see: Vaush, Destiny, etc.). He is privledged, but so was Engels. Hasan certainly is no Engels, but he does serve a useful role in radicalizing liberals towards the Left, like how he vocally combats the nonsense usage of the word "tankie" trendy among liberals these days.

Hasan is a pundit at the end of the day, and isn't bringing about the revolution, and he is definitely more of a USophile than he should be, but he is better than most leftist commentators and helps serve as a conveyor to the left of himself.

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[-] latenightnoir@lemmy.world 27 points 7 months ago

I understand where you're coming from, honestly. But I think this is a sort of trauma response on our end (myself included) at this point. I'm not trying to pin mental illnesses on you, I'm nowhere near a licensed head doctor of any kind, I'm saying that we've been kicked and abused so much by the rich, that it's only natural for those of us who broke free of the brainwashing to be on high alert, at least for a while. The continued unfolding of things surely can't help this situation, either.

That being said, as long as he acts in good faith and is sincere and logical in his approach, which so far seems to be true, I'd say we should embrace his participation! As I see it, we need all the voices we can get. We're already arguing semantics amongst ourselves all day long, I think it'd be a shame to let mistrust shatter "our side" without concrete proof of malicious intent.

At the end of the day, the greatest weapon the Right has is the fact that they yell united at everyone else. Let our chorus rival theirs!

[-] extremeboredom@lemmy.world 7 points 7 months ago

Thank you for being one of the only commenters to understand my question.

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[-] jaxxed@lemmy.world 26 points 7 months ago

You can advocate for hungry people after eating a meal. You can advocate fornsex worker rights even if you are a virgin.

You can't tell people you are "working class" if you're rich. You can't advocate for punishing day people while pretending to be straight.

It is not complicated.

[-] Hexadecimalkink@lemmy.ml 26 points 7 months ago

What's with the identity politics man? Does what he says makes sense or not? Don't tell me you won't listen to rich white people when they make sense because they're rich and white.

[-] communism@lemmy.ml 25 points 7 months ago

I think you have an extremely online view of "leftist political spaces" because I have never even heard this guy's name mentioned in any real life context, and I've been a very politically active communist since I was a teenager.

[-] AnneVolin@lemmy.ml 8 points 7 months ago

Yeah the problem with living in capitalist hellworld at the heart of the empire is that you have two separated insular communities of leftists that are knife fighting rings. One in meetings and one on message boards, and they frequently know nothing about each other.

While the meetings communists sometimes eke out wins like Kshama Sawant, they often struggle to connect to the message board communists who really should be their base. Meanwhile both struggle to connect to society at large.

What's really funny is that most meetings communists I know locally essentially think of him in essentially the same way message board communists think of AOC. Most meetings communists cannot stand his level of yadda yadda when pressed on any specifics he often just goes more general and says things like 'I just want everyone to have healthcare bro'.

[-] macabrett@lemmy.ml 25 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

A person's class is defined by their relation to labor, not their wealth. He's not exploiting labor. I'm not sure the people claiming he's a hypocrite for having money understand anything about communist/socialist theory. Engels was famously in a very similar situation.

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[-] OurToothbrush@lemmy.ml 20 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

He sometimes tells his audience to log off and join an org, we get a handful of new recruits occasionally due to the guy.

So he actually is successfully moving people from being socialist sympathizers to actual socialists (you need to be part of an org to be a socialist)

That's all I really know about him, besides some people being thirsty about him.

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[-] mindbleach@sh.itjust.works 19 points 7 months ago

'This person's not allowed to do the right thing, because he was born wrong.'

Uh huh.

[-] davel@lemmy.ml 17 points 7 months ago

I don’t know Piker from a hole in the ground. This sure sounds like a red flag, and I think The Young Turks are hacks. Nonetheless, bourgeois class traitors are a thing, Engels & Mao being a prime examples.

Not knowing Piker’s particulars, I can only speak at the 30,000 foot view: Western “leftist” spaces have largely been captured by US imperialism since the end of WWII.

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[-] WarpedMirrage@lemmy.ml 16 points 7 months ago

I'll state this: I know of this person in name only.

He's a hypocrite. It's as simple as that. His popularity is probably derived from the novelty of a member of the upper class agreeing with the lower classes and his ability to entertain them. It gives those that belong to the lower class hope of change being enacted by those with capital. The Wikipedia page states he brought a $2.7 million USD mansion. He has access to capital, and what does he do? Asks others to donate to 'worthy' causes whilst accruing more capital for his own vested, personal vanity projects?

From what I've read he is not an ally. He's an entertainer. The capitalist system is able to create products that espouse anti-capitalist ideas. This is just another such product. It's not controlled opposition. It's just an individual who's found himself the owner of a sought after product. Just another capitalist.

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[-] yardy_sardley@lemmy.ca 15 points 7 months ago

In case you're actually, seriously asking and not just trolling, having privilege and success under capitalism does not disqualify a person from being a leftist. You can't really criticize a person for participating in a system where if you don't participate, you starve.

He's using his influence to organize the working class and advocate for collective action, which is the one tool workers have in the fight against their own exploitation. Even if you don't like him personally or don't think he's part of the working class, he is a very strong ally and has undeniably strengthened the movement.

[-] AnneVolin@lemmy.ml 8 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

He’s using his influence to organize the working class and advocate for collective action, which is the one tool workers have in the fight against their own exploitation.

Posting and streaming (which is just video posting) is not "organizing the working class and advocating for collective action". The closest he gets to this is fundraisers, but the buck pretty much stops there.

Money is important sure, but that's not what organizing is. If fundraising is organizing than the Democratic Party should be Bolsheviks.

Going on stream to tell the people who decompress from their shitty McDonalds shifts that they should organize as they say hell yeah man and go back to the work the next day without doing anything isn't organizing, it's not advocacy, it's entertainment.

[-] extremeboredom@lemmy.world 7 points 7 months ago

Shame that seriously asking is so hard to distinguish from trolling at this point. For the record, I am a leftist, working a shitty physical job, who has to listen to this guy all day because of my coworkers. I am literally the archetype of the struggling worker class. I don't need him or any other millionaire to tell me about the working class.

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[-] UltraGiGaGigantic@lemmy.ml 15 points 7 months ago

The revolution will not have a channel on youtube.

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[-] TheOubliette@lemmy.ml 13 points 7 months ago

Embrace petty bourgeouis class traitors and don't fetishize the working class.

[-] inb4_FoundTheVegan@lemmy.world 13 points 7 months ago

My partner watches him a lot and while personally dislike Hasans loud yelly bro style I've never heard an opinion from him that I disagreed with.

[-] slacktoid@lemmy.ml 11 points 7 months ago

Hes good at breaking down media. Gets involved on community organizing. Does good propaganda.

People are free to like who they like and make up their own minds. Why you hating? Who made you thought police?

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[-] Duamerthrax@lemmy.world 10 points 7 months ago

I've never listened to him for more than a few seconds. He gives me shyster vibes and I don't need a pundit to tell me everything is shit.

[-] sp3tr4l@lemmy.zip 10 points 7 months ago

He's more conventionally attractive, confident, charismatic, muscular, well dressed, and less of a drama king/queen than most other leftist influencers his age, and he speaks in more Gen Z lingo/vocabulary than other left wing influencers (who are often older) with similar knowledge levels and political stances.

Oh, and he is already popular, on a platform where people love to exist in one-sided, parasocial relationships.

... Sorry if this bursts your bubble, but even most self described leftists basically operate by the same fundamental popularity / favorability dynamics that middle or high schoolers do, whether concsiously or subconsciously.

[-] piyuv@lemmy.world 9 points 7 months ago

Addition: his father is a founding member of a right wing party in Turkey

[-] DrDickHandler@lemmy.world 8 points 7 months ago

Oh screw off with this bullshit. So pathetic.

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[-] Churbleyimyam@lemm.ee 8 points 7 months ago

Never heard of him.

[-] NutWrench@lemmy.ml 8 points 7 months ago

There's nothing "leftist" about Piker, no matter what he chooses to call himself. People need to pay attention to what he does, not what he says.

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[-] iii@mander.xyz 7 points 7 months ago

He cute though

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