Sounds like we need to start punishing companies instead of desperate people. I'm sure Trump will get right on that

Being aware of the reality of the situation doesn't mean you support it.

Exactly, they want the labour even cheaper and without right. They want people who can't complain. They don't want to pay social taxes.

And like you said, cherry on the cake if they get free labour. Mmmmm those profit margins!

But we'll still raise the price because nobody wanna work

After seeing how horrific factory farming is, I'm genuinely wondering if I'd be psychologically better off with 5 years of prison. Or 5 years of war

I'm not even vegan, but what the fuck does that say about society? That the job that feeds you might require you to experience something so horrific, you'd prefer prison, maybe even war? ...

Immigrants are good. Exploiting them is bad.

Most people on the left are in favor of giving the immigrants we all rely on official status, giving them the same legal protections as other workers. That can be through making the legal immigration process easier or a guest worker program.

only when it allows you to do cheap gotchas on the right /s

when you get past your cryptic pseudo-profound wink wink question, what exactly are you trying to say?

It is like that but it’s not always like that. Hispanic workers at a food factory a friend of mine worked would talk about hitting up blueberry picking season as a side gig in the summer.

The US built itself up on immigration since the beginning, and most impactfully over the past hundred years with "brain draining" the rest of the world. "Give us your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free" and all that. I don't think it's a stretch to say most of the US's success comes on the back of these immigrants with 40% of Fortune 500 companies being founded by immigrants or children of immigrants.

But the economy has changed since that poem was inscribed on the Statue of Liberty. The US has become primarily a service industry demanding skilled laborers, relegating manual laborers to the lower class along with the illegal, and often unskilled, immigrants.

So you're a blue collar American living in Appalachia, vying for the same factory job that your dad and his dad held and were able to afford a middle-class lifestyle. Except now groceries are getting hard to afford, fueling your truck hurts, and your new neighbor is a programmer who wanted a country home to relax in and work remote and finds your accent charming. You know you're now at the bottom of the ladder, and you think the illegals willing to do your work at half the price are the cause. So deport all the imigrintz! Bring back white America! Make America Great Again! /s

I don't have all the answers, but I think we should continue to restrict unskilled immigration and continue making it risky for companies to hire illegal immigrants, while offering a path to legality for those having been here for 5+ years. Raise the minimum wage, effectively securing a better lifestyle for those at the bottom (immigrant and native). Make some better/strategic investments in Central American countries so that people there have a better lifestyle and it isn't worth it for unskilled labor to immigrate. Hell, build some manufacturing capacity so we're less reliant on China.

Everyone prospers, America continues brain-draining, and the world keeps turning.

And if it all fails exactly how I was warned, it is someone else's fault, and I'm not stupid... Everything's simply a conspiracy against me!

This needs more upvotes.

Enjoy your higher gas prices when he tariffs Canada.

https://www.eia.gov/todayinenergy/detail.php?id=63564&os=0

Any chance you could reformulate that as a coherent sentence?

I mean, this is simply stating a fact, that about 20% of food labor are undocumented immigrants. It doesn't mean that's all they do or that only undocumented workers are food workers.

As opposed to auto workers, tech workers, healthcare workers, etc?

I agree very much with this. Price increases are always disproportional to cost increases, and when cost goes down price does not. Just convenient excuse to increase profits.

Reminds of corporations threatening to move out if USSA adopts labour law. To where? Europe with even more strict labour law?

Listen here, you little shit . . .

I can feel the engagement! It tingles a little. Yeah, I’m hooked.

I’m gonna go grow some beets in a vacant lot.

(Snarky, but also serious. This would be a good time to get to know your neighbors and your local farmers.)

While I love and support urban farms, would it really be enough space to feed everyone? Google says that each person would need about 600 sqft of space to grow the food they'd need, multiplied by the millions of people in a city... I just don't see how the numbers work.