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submitted 3 weeks ago by misk@sopuli.xyz to c/technology@lemmy.world

On Monday, X filed an objection in The Onion’s bid to buy InfoWars out of bankruptcy. In the objection, Elon Musk’s lawyers argued that X has “superior ownership” of all accounts on X, that it objects to the inclusion of InfoWars and related Twitter accounts in the bankruptcy auction, and that the court should therefore prevent the transfer of them to The Onion. 

The legal basis that X asserts in the filing is not terribly interesting. But what is interesting is that X has decided to involve itself at all, and it highlights that you do not own your followers or your account or anything at all on corporate social media, and it also highlights the fact that Elon Musk’s X is primarily a political project he is using to boost, or stifle, specific viewpoints and help his friends. In the filing, X’s lawyers essentially say—like many other software companies, and, increasingly, device manufacturers as well—that the company’s terms of service grant X’s users a “license” to use the platform but that, ultimately, X owns all accounts on the social network and can do anything that it wants with them.

“Few bankruptcy courts have addressed the issue of ownership of social media accounts, and those courts that have were focused on whether an individual or the individual’s employer owned an account used for business purposes—not whether the social media company had a superior right of ownership over either the individual or the corporation,” Musk’s lawyers write. 

The case Musk’s lawyers are referencing here is Vital Pharm’s bankruptcy case, in which a supplement company filed for bankruptcy and the court decided that the Twitter and Instagram accounts @BangEnergyCEO, which were primarily used by its CEO Jack Owoc to promote the brand, were owned by the company, not Owoc. The court determined that the accounts were therefore part of the bankruptcy and could not be kept by Owoc.

Except in exceedingly rare circumstances like the Vital Pharm case, the transfer of social media accounts in bankruptcy from one company to another has been routine. When VICE was sold out of bankruptcy, its new owners, Fortress Investment Group, got all of VICE’s social media accounts and YouTube pages. X, Google, Meta, etc did not object to this transfer because this sort of thing happens constantly and is not controversial. (It should be noted that social media companies regularly do try to prevent the sale of social media accounts on the black market. But they do not usually attempt to block the sale of them as part of the sale of companies or in bankruptcy.)

But in this InfoWars case, X has decided to inject itself into the bankruptcy proceedings. Jones has signaled that Musk has done this in order to help him, and his tweet about it has gone incredibly viral. On a stream of his show after the filing, Jones called this “a major breaking Monday evening news alert that deals with the First Amendment and the people's fight to reclaim our country from the clutches of the globalists.”

"Elon Musk X Corp entered the case with a lawsuit within it to defend the right of X to not have private handles of people like Alex Jones stripped away. It violates the 13th Amendment against slavery, there are many issues. Today they filed a major brief in the case,” Jones said. “Elon Musk’s X comes to Alex Jones’ defense against democrat attempts to steal Jones’ X identity.”

Musk famously unbanned Jones, then appeared on the same Twitter Spaces broadcast with him. Musk has also tweeted occasionally that he believes The Onion is not funny. Jones, meanwhile, has been ranting and raving about some sort of conspiracy that he believes led a judge via the Deep State to sell InfoWars to The Onion at auction. 

X calls itself “the sole owner” of X accounts, and states that it “does not consent” to the sale of the InfoWars accounts, as doing so would “undermine X Corp.’s rightful ownership of the property it licenses to Free Speech Systems [InfoWars], Jones, or any other account holder on the X platform.” Again, X accounts are transferred in bankruptcy all the time with no drama and with no objection from X.

“Looming over the framework [in the Vital Pharm case] was the undeniable reality that social media companies, like X Corp., are the only parties that have truly exclusive control over users’ accounts,” the lawyers write. “X CORP. OWNS THE X ACCOUNTS.”

That a corporate social media company says it owns the social media accounts on its service is probably not surprising. Meta, Twitter, Google, LinkedIn, and ByteDance have run up astronomical valuations by more or getting people to fill their platforms with content for free, and have created and destroyed countless businesses, business models, and industries with their constantly-shifting algorithms and monetization strategies. But to see this fact outlined in such stark terms in a court document makes clear that, for human beings to seize any sort of control over their online lives, we must move toward decentralized, portable forms of social media and must move back toward creating and owning our own platforms and websites.

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[-] piskertariot@lemmy.world 12 points 3 weeks ago

You own what is on your machine, that you save locally.

Some companies believe they control the internet, but they do not. They control what is on the computers they own, that they save locally. Sometimes that is information that users have shared. That is their choice.

[-] UmeU@lemmy.world 14 points 3 weeks ago

Unless you use Mac or windows

[-] bilb@lem.monster 11 points 3 weeks ago

I own SOME of my accounts. I self host lemmy, email, and a friendica instance.

Sorry to bring it up yet again, but I wonder how this works on Bluesky. On Bluesky, I host my own PDS and use my own domain as my handle. I don't see how bsky could try to claim any ownership of either.

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[-] Zerlyna@lemmy.world 11 points 3 weeks ago
[-] KillerTofu@lemmy.world 7 points 3 weeks ago

The children yearn for the emerald mines.

[-] skozzii@lemmy.ca 10 points 2 weeks ago

Musk is not American, he is here to profit off America and does care what happens to it.

If he bleeds the country dry and ruins the country he will just leave while the rest of us are stuck here

MUSK is not American. Be warned.

[-] independantiste@sh.itjust.works 8 points 3 weeks ago

I mean... Yeah they can always not give out the accounts, but they will still need to disable them if they don't want to infringe the Infowars trademark that would belong to The Onion

[-] MonkderVierte@lemmy.ml 8 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

To make sense of this: Infowars is a social media company (uses X account as platform)?

[-] DerisionConsulting@lemmy.ca 13 points 3 weeks ago

Infowars was/is a media company, Alex Jones' show was on TV and online.
They are known for peddling and creating far right conspiracy theories, and because of this were often banned from social media websites for breaking their Terms of Service.
Because Elon is a right-wing conspiracy theorist who likes Alex Jones, he unbanned infowars from Twitter when he(Elon) bought it.

Inforwars was recently sued into the ground because of the claims he made to his audience about the victims of school shootings and their families. Because of this, he was ordered to have his assets liquidated.
The Onion (a satirical news/comedy website) won the bid for Inforwars and its assets, and Elon isn't a fan of this, so he's trying to not allow The Onion access to the Inforwars Twitter account.

[-] lemonSqueezy@lemm.ee 8 points 2 weeks ago

Interesting that it's the same web3 proponents that are the first to say they own your entire digital identity and you have to like it

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[-] RandomStickman@fedia.io 7 points 3 weeks ago

Ok, Elon can have the account. The rest of the stuff goes to The Onion. lol

[-] AbidanYre@lemmy.world 8 points 3 weeks ago

And Jones is legally banned from using Twitter/X.

[-] rivenb@lemmy.world 7 points 3 weeks ago

Elmo shills for a fuckfaced bastard who harasses families. Why do people buy his shit? Why do governments give him money? Why can’t we make this motherfucker irrelevant!?

[-] digdilem@lemmy.ml 6 points 3 weeks ago

If this was just about the X/Twitter accounts, then X could just suspend them.

[-] stinky@redlemmy.com 6 points 2 weeks ago

X owns my collection of thousands of gay porn links

god is my witness i never thought anyone would want it

[-] Fedizen@lemmy.world 5 points 2 weeks ago

Does this mean X is discarding its neutrality under section 230?

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[-] BrokenGlepnir@lemmy.world 5 points 3 weeks ago

But then musk would be violating the lease with free speech systems because Jones is no longer the one who owns free speech systems.

[-] crawancon@lemm.ee 4 points 2 weeks ago

it's pretty weird how much is tied to our online identities, and we don't own them.

and who gives two fucks about repudiation or identity theft anyway.

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