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submitted 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) by zyratoxx@lemm.ee to c/asklemmy@lemmy.ml

Depending on how the next four years go I'm on the fence between Bush Jr. and Trump but I'd like to hear from you

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Top 10 suggestions so far (unordered):

  • Andrew Jackson
  • Andrew Johnson
  • George W. Bush Jr
  • Ronald Reagan
  • Richard Nixon
  • James K. Polk
  • Woodrow Wilson
  • James Buchanan
  • Franklin Pierce
  • Donald J. Trump
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[-] watson387@sopuli.xyz 101 points 5 months ago

Ronald Reagan did more damage to this country than any president before or after him.

[-] tiefling 54 points 5 months ago

Before or after him so far

[-] EveryMuffinIsNowEncrypted 13 points 5 months ago

I feel like the "so far" is implied...unless you've somehow figured out how to 100% accurately predict the future and you haven't told anyone.

...By the way, if that's the case, rude.

[-] AndrasKrigare@beehaw.org 28 points 5 months ago

I'm continually shocked by how often I learn of some structural systemic issue, pull the thread to see where it started and- oh, surprise, it was once again Reagan.

[-] digdilem@lemmy.ml 15 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

It's no coincidence that Reagan and Margaret Thatcher had such a close relationship - they thought alike.

In Britain, Thatcher is still reviled by many for sweeping changes. Killed the coal industry without giving support to the many thousands employed there and put the North into recession, took milk away from children, depowered the unions (which were too powerful at the time, tbf) and generally put the Tory Party on the London & Banks first mantra that they've been on ever since.

[-] Sauerkraut@discuss.tchncs.de 8 points 5 months ago

Most of Reagan's agenda came from the heritage foundation: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8eeCPRD0Hgg&t=0

The capital class controls the heritage foundation and through their countless think tanks, lobbyist, donations, SuperPACs, etc they control the Republican party and even a large part of the Democratic party.

Marx was correct when he argued that economic democracy was necessary for political democracy. When the wealthy get to own the economy they have the entire country by the balls.

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[-] kersploosh@sh.itjust.works 57 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

While W. sucked in many ways, there is no way he is the worst. Off the top of my head I can easily think of four better contenders: Franklin Pierce, James Buchanan (both guilty of pro-slavery fuckery before the Civil War), Andrew Johnson (fought to let the Confederates off the hook after the war and opposed the 14th amendment), and Donald Trump (first president to be impeached twice, first to be convicted of a felony, and may be remembered by future historians as the spark that ignites the next Civil War).

[-] adarza@lemmy.ca 23 points 5 months ago

donvict ain't done yet, either. i think the damage and legacy he leaves behind, leaking out that giant diaper, will be the worst of the bunch.

[-] einkorn@feddit.org 13 points 5 months ago

Btw. question from Germany regarding Trumps Felony: I read that people convicted of a felony may not vote yet I also read that Trump cast his in Florida. Hoe does it actually work?

[-] OmegaMan@lemmings.world 25 points 5 months ago

He was convicted in New York so Florida doesn't care.

[-] kersploosh@sh.itjust.works 19 points 5 months ago

It is complicated because the rules are different in each state. Also, Trump was convicted in New York state but he resides and votes in Florida.

For out-of-state convictions, Florida defers to the other state's rules. New York would allow Trump to vote if he resided there because he is not currently in prison, so Trump can vote in Florida legally.

https://apnews.com/article/trump-felony-conviction-can-he-vote-b95e7b4c9158d999e8bc89b00fbda911

[-] captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works 12 points 5 months ago

America doesn't have laws and isn't a functioning society.

[-] PortoPeople@lemm.ee 8 points 5 months ago

He's rich and white so laws don't apply to him.

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[-] guy@piefed.social 7 points 5 months ago

Question from another European about that, he's convicted but never got a sentence? Or did he and why in that case isn't he serving?

[-] FoxyFerengi@lemm.ee 15 points 5 months ago

Sentencing was delayed until after Nov. 5th, and now it's been permanently delayed. I'm sure the conviction will be overturned at some point while he's in office

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[-] Nemo@slrpnk.net 46 points 5 months ago

It's tempting to pick someone recent, but the real answer is probably Andrew Jackson. He successfully engineered a genocide, trampled the Constitution and human rights, and was actively hostile to limits on Presidential power.

[-] PortoPeople@lemm.ee 14 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

We'll see if 47 surpasses him. He's set up to do so. It's going to be wild to see what happens when Trump order troops to fire into crowds of American citizens.

[-] OprahsedCreature@lemmy.ml 7 points 5 months ago

We always seem to get this crazy hyperbole that Trump is going to be some competent fascist that's going to perform some great coup that will end the US, but in reality it always seems the real damage he does is the evil bureaucracy that erodes rights and liberties while exacerbating things in foreign policy.

Jan 6th was very flashy, but comparatively speaking, nothing really happened.

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[-] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 27 points 5 months ago
[-] Today@lemmy.world 24 points 5 months ago

I would hire nucular George every day for the next 4 years to get rid of the orange dipshit.

[-] undercrust@lemmy.ca 13 points 5 months ago

It is absolutely fuckin bonkers that Trump is so bad that a person can say they yearn for the good old days with Dubya without a hint of sarcasm

[-] NeoToasty@kbin.melroy.org 24 points 5 months ago

George W Bush Jr.

Yes I am handing him the worst president title, even over Trump.

Because, it was his mishandled War on Terror, that plunged the country into massive national debt. He crashed the housing market. He literally had waged a war on obese people, minorities and other things as distractions from his failure to capture Osama. He allowed American Surveillance with Patriot Act I and II. His cabinet were all crooks and he was just a dumb puppet.

He is essentially the ripple effect of everything we're dealing with today and Trump is merely the symptom of that.

[-] CrabAndBroom@lemmy.ml 6 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

I agree. Bush Jr. was the one who broke the window, Trump is just the inevitable crackhead who climbed in and started living on the couch.

[-] xiao@sh.itjust.works 18 points 5 months ago

This question is too difficult, there are too many candidates...

[-] ryathal@sh.itjust.works 16 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Trump is definitely in the bottom quintile, but also anyone putting him in the bottom 5 is just recency bias.

[-] zyratoxx@lemm.ee 13 points 5 months ago

Most people who argued for Trump said it's because of Jan 6th and his other felonies and that he was allowed to run again and became reelected (even tho a partition of the us citizens are to blame for the latter). I also think people already value him lower because of Project 2025 and out of fear what will happen during his 2nd term.

[-] jeena@piefed.jeena.net 15 points 5 months ago
[-] tetris11@lemmy.ml 7 points 5 months ago

(the upside down book was photo shopped l

[-] jeena@piefed.jeena.net 7 points 5 months ago

I think it does not make it less funny, everyone believes it because it's so in character.

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[-] BigBananaDealer@lemm.ee 14 points 5 months ago

andrew jackson (or johnson can never remember which) for the trail of tears. absolutely awful

[-] OmnipotentEntity@beehaw.org 10 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Andrew Jackson was Trail of Tears, but I actually think Andrew Johnson was arguably worse. He was Lincoln's Democrat vice president (he was brought on to help "balance the ticket" instead of sticking with his strongly abolitionist first term VP Hannibal Hamlin), who started dismantling reconstruction and giving the power back to the former slaveowners.

You can pretty much lay Jim Crow at his feet.

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[-] southsamurai@sh.itjust.works 12 points 5 months ago

Going for the low hanging fruit, huh?

[-] iii@mander.xyz 8 points 5 months ago

I'm having a hard time deciding between grape and kiwi what about you?

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[-] saigot@lemmy.ca 10 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Does worst mean:

  • least able to achieve their stated agenda, ie worst at their job. (Trump)
  • worst vision for America, ie most evil (Reagan)
  • worst overall impact to America, ie one you'd kill with a time machine (Bush Jr, but Trump might catch up in term 2)
  • Worst for the world, ie the one I'd kill with a time machine (Washington)

Although I'm not American and don't know your history that well.

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[-] Revan343@lemmy.ca 10 points 5 months ago

It's Reagan or Nixon, no contest. Bush pales in comparison

[-] Taalnazi@lemmy.world 10 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Plenty of choice. In my view, most presidents were rambling reeking right wingers in some way or other, save for FDR and Teddy Roosevelt, who were the two presidents I'd actually call capable and outspoken on civil rights (rather than just pragmatical like Lincoln). They did have their blemishes, but less than e.g. Andrew Jackson.

So many presidents were terrible for one people or another.

Andrew Jackson? Held hundreds of slaves and quite literally led an ethnic expulsion against Native Americans (the Trail of Tears).

Lincoln? Mostly good, but did not forbid slavery in the form of penal labour. If one were to abolish slavery, why not go the full mile?

Wilson? Rabid antisemite, pretty much.

Hoover? Might've tried to tackle the Great Depression -- but did so by allying with large coorporations, effectively being corrupt and choosing bribery.

Truman? Dropped nukes and set the stage for "we support any government that hates people being remotely leftist".

Nixon - corrupt and wanted to sidestep the rule of law, all for his own profit: to stay in power. Other than thaf, decent, but that's a big "other than that".

Reagan - enough said. Ultracapitalist, misleading, made the US economy far worse by accruing debt like there's no tomorrow, and shoving it onto the poor -- typical oligarch behaviour! Militaristic, power-hungry. And no, he did not end the Cold War: Gorbachov did.

JFK: socially pretty good, actually. But economically, the cutting of the top rates made the richest keep more money. At least it wasn't down below 50%, but still. Had that happened, I think the tax rates would've allowed wealth accumulation.

And so on.

So, in my view, it's hard to focus on who is the worse, and better to rather focus on what is the best. Ted would be my candidate. Not only social progress, but also economical, and in a way that favour the worker -- and he also was environmentally aware. That is a good president.

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[-] yogthos@lemmy.ml 8 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

The one that's presiding over a genocide and is currently trying to start WW3.

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[-] MonkderVierte@lemmy.ml 7 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Wasn't it Nixon who sold the americans out? Or Truman?

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