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Windows VS Linux (lemmy.world)
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[-] Peasley@lemmy.world 120 points 8 months ago

I've never "debloated" Windows so idk about the top half.

The bottom half is accurate. Debian, Fedora, and Mint are easier to install than Windows 10 or 11. Not that Windows is difficult, it's just a bit clunky and idiosyncratic.

I assume Microsoft doesn't care much about the installer since it's generally only used by OEMs, whereas for Linux distros it's a first impression so it has to be polished.

[-] user224@lemmy.sdf.org 71 points 8 months ago

No excuse though. Try the "install as oem" of Linux Mint. You get an install with temporary oem account, you can update the system, install additional programs, then click "Prepare for shipping to end user" and on next boot you're greeted with a setup screen.

[-] Peasley@lemmy.world 29 points 8 months ago

That sounds pretty nice. More installers should have something like that

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[-] cm0002@lemmy.world 12 points 8 months ago

Well, if you want accuracy, then no the meme isn't really that accurate.

On an updated Win11 system the Shift+ F10 command prompt "OOBE\BYPASSNRO" trick still works to setup a new system without Internet (and by extension, without a MS account) so that's like most of the battle right there

The rest is taken care of with your choice of debloat scripts that are out there

[-] Peasley@lemmy.world 25 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

compared to clicking "next" on Fedora, Debian, or Mint

I'd say using a simple straightforward GUI is much easier than an arcane combination of commands and keypresses

[-] DannyBoy@sh.itjust.works 22 points 8 months ago

Wait, did we just reach a point where a command line input is needed for Windows and Linux just needs to press a few buttons??

[-] SatyrSack@feddit.org 11 points 8 months ago

I can't find it now, but there was a meme about that here. How 20 years ago vs present the two are flipped.

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[-] RattlerSix@lemmy.world 71 points 8 months ago

Almost everyone using Linux installed it. Almost no one using Windows installed it.

[-] EldritchFeminity 14 points 8 months ago

You don't think that many people build their own Windows PCs? Linux gaming isn't that old in the grand scheme of things, and there's plenty of people who dual boot for various reasons.

I'd almost be willing to bet that there are more people who've installed Windows on their PC than there are people who've installed Linux from a pure numbers standpoint.

[-] Jyek@sh.itjust.works 8 points 8 months ago

Most gaming PCs are pre built. Boutiques have been a business for decades. And every major PC OEM has a gaming division.pc building is niche.

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[-] SloganLessons@lemmy.world 64 points 8 months ago
[-] tsugu@slrpnk.net 23 points 8 months ago

Like every linux community. Living in a bubble that doesn't exist.

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[-] frayedpickles@lemmy.cafe 52 points 8 months ago

Windows requires pressing next 12 times, what are you people smoking and can I haz?

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[-] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 51 points 8 months ago
[-] Saik0Shinigami@lemmy.saik0.com 9 points 8 months ago

Well Mac users do too... Well they don't... but someone does.

I was that someone for some family members. I felt icky the whole time.

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[-] PieMePlenty@lemmy.world 46 points 8 months ago

Biased as fuck lol. Installing windows is not difficult. I did it first time at the age of 8 witn WIndows 98 and their newer installers are made so the general public can do it. And the bloat and spyware? Thats windows dude. Its not meant to be your OS, its meant to spy on your ass at the benefit of being familiar and (relative) easy to use. Anything you do to it post clean install is your own tinkering. Linux distros are great yall, but install difficulty is not a metric I would use to attack windows. Comparing between distros makes sense.

[-] Railcar8095@lemm.ee 8 points 8 months ago

This doesn't say it's difficult, just says there are others which are less difficult. Even if you accept everything at default, windows installs take much longer.

I'm not sure why you even think this is an attack on windows really. You keep saying windows is for those who want easy to use, so why not include the whole process?

[-] DacoTaco@lemmy.world 10 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Longer != difficult. Windows installs are easy as fuck and id say its as simple as linux mint.
The debloating is a choice and id say thats the same amount of work as installing stuff in linux because what it comes with is very limited.
Im a linux mint user btw

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[-] spujb@lemmy.cafe 42 points 8 months ago

would love to see some actual market research on this. sit down a sample of users, have them install then use some OSs. interview them on their experience. rather than yknow making up data

[-] mr_right@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 8 months ago

well people dont actually install OSs

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[-] Viper_NZ@lemmy.nz 33 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Install windows, run debloat powershell script. Done.

Microsoft give no shortage of things to complain about without needing to exaggerate.

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[-] schwim@lemm.ee 32 points 8 months ago

What an absurdly sycophantic graph.

[-] nutbutter@discuss.tchncs.de 30 points 8 months ago

I can agree that installing Arch is easier than installing a debloated Windows. But Gentoo? I spent 2 weeks trying to install it, but couldn't get past partitioning the drive.

[-] theunknownmuncher@lemmy.world 14 points 8 months ago

...paritioning the drives is exactly the same for Arch as it is Gentoo lol if you did it for Arch, why can't you do it for Gentoo?

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[-] hddsx@lemmy.ca 9 points 8 months ago

I’m genuinely curious as an Arch user. Does gentoo not come with fdisk?

[-] theunknownmuncher@lemmy.world 12 points 8 months ago

As a Gentoo user who has used Arch in the past, I have no clue what problems this commenter could have run into because paritioning the drives is exactly the same for both distributions... if they were able to figure it out for Arch, then they can do it for Gentoo

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[-] arc@lemm.ee 27 points 8 months ago

I don't even know what this graph is even supposed to mean. Bitch about Windows all you like but the installation process is typically very simple.

[-] Agent641@lemmy.world 20 points 8 months ago

There is no X axis so I'm going to assume it means potatoes per guinea pig

[-] Couldbealeotard@lemmy.world 14 points 8 months ago

I guess it means that no one here knows what Windows Debloated is and didn't read far down enough to see regular windows marked as very easy to install.

[-] scholar@lemmy.world 12 points 8 months ago

Boot off usb, create partitions, wait, spend five screens clicking 'no' on all of the options, unplug ethernet so it allows you to make a local account, wait, login, spend 15 minutes uninstalling all of the preinstalled nonsense, disable all of the advertising on the task bar and desktop, pretend the rest of the telemetry doesn't exist, download and install the latest drivers from each manufacturers website. Very simple.

[-] Luccus@feddit.org 10 points 8 months ago

Man. Last time I just wanted to check if my new laptop was working properly, so I booted up it's preinstalled Windows. I literally had to look up how to get Windows to get me into Explorer without creating an account or connecting it to my network.

It took me about 25 minutes and Windows was already installed on the damn thing.

It took 15 minutes from booting a prepared Fedora stick to logging in.

I honestly believe that, by now, Linux is no more difficult than Windows. People are just not used to the differences.

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[-] Txmyx@feddit.org 23 points 8 months ago

Installing windows takes stupidly long. You have to click through 60 pages and click "No, i don't want to share my data" just for them to collect it anyway

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[-] Steamymoomilk@sh.itjust.works 20 points 8 months ago

1000017289 Installing gentoo

[-] jaschen@lemm.ee 17 points 8 months ago

Um... My grandma installed Windows 11 on her computer and then ran a simple script I gave her after. You guys are delusional.

[-] abbadon420@lemm.ee 14 points 8 months ago

Was it a script to install your own crypto miner?

[-] variants@possumpat.io 10 points 8 months ago

oh damn that sucks, thats why you dont click suspicious links

[-] ikidd@lemmy.world 16 points 8 months ago

I love Debian, but it's installer is shit.

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[-] thedirtyknapkin@lemmy.world 16 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

brother, 99% of users will never even consider installing their own os. the issue isn't that Linux is hard to install, the issue is that pretty much anyone brave enough to even mess with their operating system is either already on Linux, a boomer, or trapped by professional software that isn't available on Linux (that's me, a videographer)

the only way Linux is breaking out of extreme obscurity is if it starts coming pre-installed on commercially available and desirable hardware. the steam deck did more for Linux in a single product launch than the entire decade of combined efforts before that. before the deck i would have said it was simply never going to happen, but who knows. maybe it'll be up to eccentric billionaires that never went public with their companies to push the Linux future we all want.

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[-] NaibofTabr@infosec.pub 14 points 8 months ago

This is true, but the people who think of Windows as easier to use are not people who install operating systems themselves.

[-] iAmTheTot@sh.itjust.works 16 points 8 months ago

I install OSes myself and windows is easy.

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[-] synapse1278@lemmy.world 14 points 8 months ago

Installing regular Windows 10/11 is definitely more than twice as painful than installing Debian 12.

Once, I was trying to install Windows 10 and wasted an entire day! The installation would systematically fail at the beginning of the installation with a BS error message that doesn't give any hint about what's going wrong. In the end it just didn't like USB3 as an installation media! I reflashed it to a USB2 and it worked, but OMG was it super slow ! It took literally hours to install !!!

Debian, even as a noobie, you'll go from flashing your ISO to a booted system within an hour. If you've done it once before, you will get it done in 20 minutes.

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[-] shadowedcross@sh.itjust.works 14 points 8 months ago

Installing debloated windows is not difficult at all.

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[-] ordellrb@lemmy.world 12 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Windows 11 without a Microsoft-Account = terminal required. Linux Mint = terminal not required.

[-] Grandwolf319@sh.itjust.works 10 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Okay I’m a big supporter of Linux but this is misinformation.

Windows 11 LTSC install was the easiest install I’ve ever done, even easier than mint (or as easy).

The image I used even asked me the username when I was creating the bootable usb so I would save some time.

It also let me opt out of data collection and the rest of the bloatware.

Came with office and it was pre activated.

Now, if only that’s what Microsoft offered their mainstream consumer…

Edit: I don’t understand the downvotes. My last sentence does point out that Microsoft doesnt intentionally make it easier but imo we shouldn’t circle jerk by just claiming things that can easily be false.

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[-] robocall@lemmy.world 8 points 8 months ago

Why do all my homies use Linux Mint while I use Ubuntu?

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