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Windows VS Linux (lemmy.world)
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[-] frayedpickles@lemmy.cafe 52 points 8 months ago

Windows requires pressing next 12 times, what are you people smoking and can I haz?

[-] GladiusB@lemmy.world 5 points 8 months ago

With a MS account. Which spies on everything and sells your info.

[-] Gumus@lemmy.world 6 points 8 months ago

Use Rufus, skip online account and automatically opt out of telemetry.

[-] tsugu@slrpnk.net 4 points 8 months ago

What is the very first thing you do after installing the super private and much sekure Linux? You download Steam and give Valve your data. This is bullshit.

[-] GladiusB@lemmy.world 3 points 8 months ago
[-] tsugu@slrpnk.net 2 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Yes, that's my point. You will eventually log into something when using the computer. So while it's weird that MS made it mandatory to sign into Windows 11, who cares.

They can also get your data without an account if they wanted.

[-] Neptr 2 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

On Linux, you can install Steam inside a sandbox for better security. Easy to do with either Flatpak or Bubblejail. This makes it so that Steam does not have full file system access.

[-] tsugu@slrpnk.net 2 points 8 months ago

Not something most people are gonna do. If you need privacy and security on the level where even Steam worries you, Windows can be made private too. It's not even that hard. You just install a different ISO that allows local accounts and do all the necessary tweaks to harden it.

[-] Neptr 3 points 8 months ago

Flatpak is installed on basically every Linux distribution. Literally all I do to install Steam is go to the Software Center and search "steam" and click install. It takes 2 clicks.

[-] tsugu@slrpnk.net 1 points 8 months ago

Sure. And a regular user will visit Steam's website and download a .deb. Which will work as most people use Debian/Ubuntu derivatives. The Steam flatpak is not even official.

[-] GladiusB@lemmy.world 1 points 8 months ago

You know that Steam is run on Arch right?

[-] Jyek@sh.itjust.works 3 points 8 months ago

Oobe\bypassnro

Thank me later

[-] eugenevdebs@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Or just use software that you don't need to mod to do what you want. That's easier.

[-] frayedpickles@lemmy.cafe 6 points 8 months ago

Literally not a mod

Do I think needing to do this is fucking stupid? Yes

Do I still put up with Microsoft's bullshit because Linux is actively worse (as a parallel Linux user)? also fucking yes

[-] frayedpickles@lemmy.cafe 1 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

I've been asking for several years for anything remotely resembling proof of this.

Will you be the first person to actually provide it? (I swear to fucking god if you link me to the terms of use....)

[-] GladiusB@lemmy.world 2 points 8 months ago

How do you think they advertise to you in the search bar?

[-] frayedpickles@lemmy.cafe 1 points 8 months ago

They don't? Very first thing I turn off is that shit show of a function.

However, let's imagine you're someone who leaves that on even though it objectively sucks...the answer is cookies. Your spyware example is cookies.

[-] GladiusB@lemmy.world 1 points 8 months ago

It would be awesome if someone created an OS that didn't exploit such a resource for financial gain...

[-] Peasley@lemmy.world 2 points 8 months ago

See, Ubuntu only requires pressing next 6 times, and Fedora is only 8.

That's essentially what it boils down to nowadays.

[-] frayedpickles@lemmy.cafe 2 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Unless you want tpm backed full disk encryption in which case.... Good luck

One click for Mac and windows, a lifetime of fun for Linux (except arch w/sysdboot which works pretty good)

[-] Peasley@lemmy.world 2 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

I'm happy with regular password FDE, i think i'm more likely to encounter hardware failure (and then need to read the drive from another machine) than theft of the drive.

It's a good point though, I'm sure many people do need this feature. Ubuntu is "working on it" but so far i guess it's mostly not working except for VMs

[-] frayedpickles@lemmy.cafe 2 points 8 months ago

I have a media center that serves over the internet via VPN, I don't want to leave it unencrypted but I also don't want to have to go home and type in a pass every time California has a power outage, which is monthly during the dry fire season and >monthly during the "storm" season. I wouldn't care as much for my personal laptop or anything, but for servers it seems like an absolute must have and..what is Linux for if not servers?

[-] Peasley@lemmy.world 1 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

I think the traditional way to do that is via dm-crypt, which you can set up with an ssh server.

You can also use a network-shared file rather than a password for LUKS but it's not as straightforward to set up as a password. If you are doing something like tailscale then it'd be unlocked as long as you are on the VPN

Typing in a password in-person at a data center would be a huge hassle, agreed

[-] frayedpickles@lemmy.cafe 2 points 8 months ago

But...it's literally what the tpm chip is for. Like there may be other options, but the tpm chip's purpose in life is to do this thing. And it's been doing that for a decade. Seems pretty traditional to me. But Linux folks in some venues treat it like a plague that needs to be eradicated.

[-] Peasley@lemmy.world 1 points 8 months ago

Looking at RHEL docs it seems to also work there. The same instructions probably work in Fedora but idk I've never done it myself

[-] frayedpickles@lemmy.cafe 2 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

I've done the recommendation for opensuse and fedora, both failed to boot properly. Weirdly arch was the easy one that worked out of box.

[-] duckCityComplex@lemmy.world 1 points 8 months ago

But then you have to wait 45 minutes for Windows update to spin, and potentially hang in the middle

[-] frayedpickles@lemmy.cafe 3 points 8 months ago

Is it difficult for you to wait?

[-] duckCityComplex@lemmy.world 2 points 8 months ago

No, that's fair. Annoying but not difficult.

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