Just reached 20 millions today : fedimemes

[-] akilou@sh.itjust.works 98 points 1 month ago

Bluesky: install an app and make an account.

Mastodon: first pick a server. What does that mean? You figure it out. Ok, now select a client and install it. Doesn't matter which one, but it actually does. Then use that client app to log onto the server you made an account on. Now you just need to figure out who to follow and you're ready to participate!

[-] psvrh@lemmy.ca 51 points 1 month ago

The how-to-search-for-people-to-follow thing caused me trouble with Mastodon. I could handle getting a client and an account, but actually finding people not on the same instance as me was a challenge. Discoverability was pretty broken.

Bluesky doesn't seem to have that problem.

Lemmy I've stuck with because it handles that better.

[-] troed@fedia.io 19 points 1 month ago

The latest version of Mastodon does suggest accounts to follow. But you're absolutely right - Bluesky being fully centralized can do a lot of things easier than it is for the Mastodon network. I have high hopes that @dansup@mastodon.social will help alleviate this a lot though with the Fediverse equivalent for "starter packs":

https://mastodon.social/@dansup/113497558334297218

[-] Hawke@lemmy.world 7 points 1 month ago

actually finding people not on the same instance as me was a challenge

Isn’t it the same on bluesky? As I understand it, there’s effectively only the one instance, and the federation is theoretical.

[-] troed@fedia.io 22 points 1 month ago

Download "Mastodon" from an app store. Create an account. Post.

It's been a few years since you last tried, right?

[-] KazuyaDarklight@lemmy.world 13 points 1 month ago

It offers you a server, which is a step up, but the option to pick a different one is still very prominent which is going to make some people ask questions and lead to the usual confusion and anxiety about picking the "right" one.

[-] pennomi@lemmy.world 22 points 1 month ago

Anyone who has studied UX and how users move through an app knows that every step you make someone do has a huge drop off in user completion of that process.

Unfortunately that means that centralized, simple platforms will always have a distinct UX advantage over federated platforms. We have to make up for it by being simply better. (No ads is a good start.)

[-] otter@lemmy.ca 15 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

install an app and make an account

Mastodon is pretty much the same now

There is an option to pick another server, but non-technical users are probably going to glance over it entirely

https://blog.joinmastodon.org/2022/04/official-apps-now-available-for-ios-and-android/

[-] heavyboots@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

AFAIK, Mastodon has exactly the same experience as BS if you just download the Mastodon official client and pick the main mastodon.social instance.

And as far as finding people to follow, just follow some hashtags to start with. Like #boston should immediately got you local users and news and #mac for computer news, etc etc. Following 5 or 10 hashtags will get you a pretty strong initial feed on mastodon.social, I suspect.

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[-] SharkEatingBreakfast@sopuli.xyz 50 points 1 month ago

Gonna put this out there: the fediverse is vastly depressing and not very fun. Lacks creative-types, too.

I see why people would choose the alternative.

[-] awwwyissss@lemm.ee 25 points 1 month ago

And full of propaganda, especially from Lemmy.ml

Not surprising to me that its faltering, but very disappointing

[-] DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 4 points 1 month ago

Like Twitter and Meta aren't

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[-] tetris11@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 month ago

Hey. Cmon man, every instance has its agendas and bad apples. Some spread pro-US and anti-Russia/China rhetoric, others are flipped.

Yes, a minority of the mods are fucked in some of their values and beliefs but that's true of any instance, and most of the time it's not an issue.

We all harbour our strange 1% ideas that's separate us from the norm, but that's the beauty of the lemmyverse that you can find a server where that's better represented.

Too much? Go to an instance where it's not and chill there for a bit.

[-] Kichae@lemmy.ca 9 points 1 month ago

Something that could be fixed if creative types and fun people would just flood the place already. The place is being held hostage by social misers and digital HOA Karens.

[-] SharkEatingBreakfast@sopuli.xyz 14 points 1 month ago

They will not come here because there's an absolute fuckton of hostility.

My favorite woman-centric community went dark due to lack of moderation. Mods left because it was so damn hostile.

The t×nkie problem is also pretty bad.

Federated spaces will forever be niche spaces, because of all of this. Say "good" all you want, but it'd be great to have mass adoption.

[-] Blaze@feddit.org 5 points 1 month ago

The t×nkie problem is also pretty bad.

Aren't you okay on sopuli.xyz? I now use lemmy.cafe as my main, they block ml, hexbear and grad

[-] SharkEatingBreakfast@sopuli.xyz 8 points 1 month ago

I am! But I left 4-5 other instances before finally settling. Blahaj especially actually welcomed HB at one point because "trans solidarity", which opened the door to mass harassment. ......again. I was so absolutely disappointed because I was like "hey..don't" and was basically told off.

"Oh you can block them if you don't like it! It's up to the individual!" I'm sure that's fine if you're tough & completely mentally stable, but these people genuinely triggered my PTSD, which had not been a thing that had happened to me in years. It left me and my faith in this whole thing very very shaken.

That aside, I think sopuli only has ML unblocked because it has such large tech communities.

I really really really loved Beehaw, too, but after their talk about moving away from Lemmy, I scrambled to find another home.

An average user is not going to want to continually move around to keep themselves sane & safe.

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[-] callyral@pawb.social 7 points 1 month ago

My Lemmy experience is kinda shit, but Mastodon is alright

[-] Cube6392@beehaw.org 7 points 1 month ago

i've come to believe that something in reddit's design with the upvotes and the downvotes brings out the worst in people

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[-] Evil_Shrubbery@lemm.ee 6 points 1 month ago

Hey, I'm depressive and not very fun, lack creativity too.

I'm not disagreeing, just voicing my well, fuck you too over here.

(But bring some people over, post lemmy links on that skytwatter before it turns toxic)

[-] SharkEatingBreakfast@sopuli.xyz 6 points 1 month ago

Oh, I don't mind depressive, not-so-fun, lacking creativity people! They're cool! I do mind pointedly depressing and hostile content.

AI art posts? Put it in the trash. Hopeless memes? No thanks. Constant politic-ing pretending to be sincere but it's actually t×nkie pushing? Nope.

[-] Cube6392@beehaw.org 5 points 1 month ago

where are you primarily getting your fediverse access, because that's not my experience at all

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[-] lowleveldata@lemmy.world 42 points 1 month ago

Fediverse is the over-engineered great solutions that most people don't understand

[-] ByteOnBikes@slrpnk.net 20 points 1 month ago

I tried to explain the Fediverse to the marketing department at my company and the looks of confusion just made me gave up.

[-] troed@fedia.io 20 points 1 month ago

"It's like email. We have our company domain and others have theirs and it all just works"

[-] Takumidesh@lemmy.world 18 points 1 month ago

That's a great start to an explanation, but first, you are assuming that people know how email works, and second, unlike email, federated social media has discovery, feeds, and in general content that gets pushed to you. How all of that works can be complicated and if you join a small instance, you may not realize how much content you are missing because of it.

[-] otter@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

In some cases, I think technical explanations aren't necessary. For some people, the recommendation could be more like

Here are some growing platforms that people are using. I feel that this one is the most viable long term, and so we should maintain a presence there in addition to whatever else we choose.

The marketing department doesn't need to know how email works in order to set up newsletters

[-] otter@lemmy.ca 7 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

The analogy the other day works well, aside from the LaTeX one which still feels like a stretch

Firefox : Chrome
Linux : Windows
LaTex : MS Word
actual Fediverse : Bluesky's Fediverseᵀᴹ

However I'm happy to be here. Mastodon is getting a boost right now too. Even if they didn't, and everyone on Twitter moved to bluesky, I don't expect those instances to close up shop

[-] Takumidesh@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago

https://atproto.com/guides/applications

You can use atproto to build other federated applications.

Just because one implementation of atproto (bluesky) doesn't have feature parity, doesn't mean it's a fake federated protocol.

'actual fediverse' and 'bluesky fediverse' doesn't make sense as a comparison.

It's more like, ActivityPub vs ATProto.

https://github.com/bluesky-social/atproto

Bluesky is just one implementation of the protocol, that implementation happens to have a lot of steam, but it's not fake or anything.

[-] otter@lemmy.ca 12 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

I wouldn't call it fake, but the concern is about who created, maintains, and/or controls the protocol

ActivityPub was developed by W3C, and it's properly decentralized. For Atproto, the concern is that Bluesky will exert control over the protocol once shareholders and profit get in the way of making a good product.

Last I heard they were discussing potentially moving the necessary registry/directory to a separate non-profit "like ICANN", but even with that they seemed noncommittal about it.

I'd love to see more diversity in the federated space. Competition and iterative development is how we make things better. But I need Bluesky to take those necessary steps before I feel comfortable endorsing it over ActivityPub

[-] troed@fedia.io 7 points 1 month ago

ATproto is way more over-engineered than ActivityPub, and due to its crypto currency roots using merkle trees it simply cannot scale decentralized.

[-] Maxxie 21 points 1 month ago

Happy twitter is dying. For awhile I though modern society will take anything from fascists, but maybe there're still some lines normies won't cross.

And yea bluesky is just infant twitter, but it's like vaping: may be not great for you but hella better than smoking.

[-] atro_city@fedia.io 5 points 1 month ago

Twitter is taking punches but far from dying. 586M MonthlyActiveUsers

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[-] ekZepp@lemmy.world 20 points 1 month ago

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[-] mayhair@discuss.tchncs.de 5 points 1 month ago

What does Loona from Helluva Boss have to do with this?

[-] atro_city@fedia.io 5 points 1 month ago

Lol, I think you haven't explored the furryverse, my friend.

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[-] makyo@lemmy.world 13 points 1 month ago

I want Mastodon to work as much as I want Lemmy to work but as long as all the people I want to follow are on/going to Bluesky I'll be on Bluesky too. At least until it gets entshitified and everyone flees again.

[-] asudox@discuss.tchncs.de 8 points 1 month ago

yet onto another centralized platform

[-] Arsecroft@lemmy.sdf.org 11 points 1 month ago

Great! I never wanted 20 million users in my subreddits or irc channels or friend list.

We'll all be happier this way. I'm happier this way, anyway.

[-] Kichae@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 month ago

Fiddling while the first real chance at breaking the corporate capture of the web burns because you want to feel intellectually superior to the normies is kinda shit, ngl

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[-] Tin 10 points 1 month ago

Honestly it's fine. Keep fedi niche, it's why it continues to be comfy.

[-] HubertManne@moist.catsweat.com 9 points 1 month ago

why is the fediverse the girlfriend. I mean ewww. it whoudl be like bluesky and fediverse as a lesbian couple with xitter checking them out from a construction site.

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[+] jeze3d@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

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[-] 7toed@midwest.social 7 points 1 month ago

I've been waiting for my 2^68th Linux circlejerk post, I love Linux

[-] jaggedrobotpubes@lemmy.world 7 points 1 month ago

Fediverse still has linux and github vibes. Which is good in terms of functioning and free and made in the spirit of comraderie. And bad in terms intuitive and easy usability.

Programmers either don't understand that "nice to look at and use" is actually a really important aspect of an app/program, or it's a lot harder to do that well than it seems from the outside. I really don't know. When it's just one person making the whole thing, it makes sense that they split their work where they can.

But when you're dealing with a serious contender for a major platform, it's not optional anymore, and it's not a normie thing.

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[-] Grandwolf319@sh.itjust.works 6 points 1 month ago

That’s cause the Twitter format is not for people who want the open source experience.

Twitter format is about self promotion, it’s not a place to discuss ideas anonymously.

[-] Randelung@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago

Breaking: Musk offering to buy BlueSky.

/s, but barely.

[-] morgunkorn@discuss.tchncs.de 4 points 1 month ago

That's pretty good though, there's a whole lot of people on Melon Husk's site that i wouldn't want to see in my Fedi Timeline.

[-] OrlandoDoom@feddit.uk 3 points 1 month ago

I usually go with "Elon's Musk" cos it sounds gross and he is gross

Fediverse memes