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[-] ParkedInReverse@lemmy.world 173 points 8 months ago

Kinda stretching it aren't they?

[-] Enkers@sh.itjust.works 156 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Pepe is a beloved internet meme, not a symbol of hate. Rightoid asshats need to leave pepe and doge the fuck alone. >:(

[-] oce@jlai.lu 61 points 8 months ago

I thought it came from 4chan, but it actually comes from Myspace. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pepe_the_Frog

[-] Grumpy@sh.itjust.works 77 points 8 months ago

Wtf pepe is considered alt-right because alt-right uses them sometimes??? I hear they also use English! Maybe English needs to get banned!

[-] Jiggle_Physics@lemmy.world 52 points 8 months ago

They didn't just use it sometimes, they were using it as an intentional dog whistle, that is the difference. Part of dog whistling is choosing something that, otherwise, has had no real relationship to the thing it is being used as a dog whistle for.

[-] reksas@sopuli.xyz 36 points 8 months ago

so they can choose anything and we just have to stop using it because its their dogwhistle now?

[-] Jiggle_Physics@lemmy.world 29 points 8 months ago

No, but you have to understand that it now comes with the context of being a WP dog whistle. The symbolism of the Nazis weren't anything to their ideology before hand. They had widespread use for thousands of years. Now they, especially the primary one, is all but verboten in the west, and people who use things, like the swastika, as religious symbols, even know to tread with caution using it in the west. White hoods, and robes, have been used in cultural/religious regalia forever. However, you don't use them in the US unless you consider being mistaken for a klan memeber.

Can we reclaim pepe? Probably, it was minor compared to the aforementioned things, and the creator has done a lot to kibosh the commercial use of it from right wing people. However, it was that, and that context doesn't just disappear because you don't like it.

[-] 9488fcea02a9@sh.itjust.works 14 points 8 months ago

There's a whole documentary about reclaiming pepe called "feels good man"

The more we discourage people from using pepe because WP and shitheads, the more they win.

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[-] TheBat@lemmy.world 15 points 8 months ago
[-] oce@jlai.lu 13 points 8 months ago

Same shit happened to the swastika. It comes from Hinduism, still widely used there, in the West it also used to be a symbol of good luck before the 30'. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swastika

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[-] Darohan@lemmy.zip 16 points 8 months ago

Wait, is just using a Valknut considered a hate symbol? I was under the impression that it was a pretty common "I like Vikings/Odin/Paganism" type symbol... Same with Tyr tbh.

[-] Virkkunen@fedia.io 27 points 8 months ago

The issue is that the Venn diagram of people interested in vikings/odinism and racists bigots is almost just a circle

[-] Paranomaly@sh.itjust.works 28 points 8 months ago

This is hyperbole. A large amount of racists and bigots are into norse stuff? Maybe. Almost all people in the norse stuff are racists and bigots? High doubt, and shouldn't be allowed to be coopted anyway. Loki is one of the few ancient figures with some gender fluid markings as it is.

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[-] Darohan@lemmy.zip 23 points 8 months ago

Not sure I believe that for a minute. There's definitely a group there, nobody can deny that, but Norse mythology is incredibly popular among leftists too - I say this as somewhat of a Norse mythology leftist, whose favorite viking/odinist/pagan band preaches unity and kindness among all people and is fronted by a polyamorous bisexual - there's a lot to love in the mythos and the factual history, and it appeals to a wide variety of people for a wide variety of reasons.

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[-] circuitfarmer@lemmy.sdf.org 85 points 8 months ago

Once again, a clueless boomer blames games.

How about YouTube? Why aren't we going after Google?

What about Twitter? Musk's platform is filled with extremist hate.

Plenty of extremist diarrhea spewing from the mouth of a President Elect.

It's almost like this kind of content on Steam is a symptom of a bigger problem.

[-] GiveMemes@jlai.lu 44 points 8 months ago

Steam honestly has it really bad. You don't see blatant hate speech in play store reviews but you certainly do on steam. The same goes for their forums, which are almost totally unmoderated. Totally agree tho that this is a symptom of a larger problem and am always wary of the government seeking to impede free speech, even if it's speech I despise. If there are calls to violence and stuff I'm totally cool with that being prosecuted ofc.

[-] circuitfarmer@lemmy.sdf.org 13 points 8 months ago

Yes, agreed, it definitely needs moderation. But I don't think it needs singling out (again, not saying don't moderate).

The bigger picture is a proliferation of online extremist speech in general. And yes, Google may have done well to moderate play store reviews (anecdotally), but they certainly haven't done well with YouTube.

But I would suggest that focusing on any one online forum / store / outlet / etc. will naturally miss an important trend, and the reasons for that trend should be understood -- while concurrently doing everything possible to limit this kind of hate online.

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[-] _cryptagion@lemmy.dbzer0.com 14 points 8 months ago

Absolutely those platforms are a bigger problem, but your argument isn’t a very good one. Yes, we should go after those platforms. Yes, we should also go after Steam. Whataboutism never solved any problems.

[-] circuitfarmer@lemmy.sdf.org 18 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

I think you missed the first sentence of my comment. Games have been blamed above other media for years and years and years. That is not whataboutism.

Edit: or the last sentence for that matter.

It's almost like this kind of content on Steam is a symptom of a bigger problem.

I never suggested that Steam doesn't need improvement. There is extremist content being posted. But it is definitely part of a larger (frankly, much more obvious) problem. Calling attention to a root cause is just not whataboutism.

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[-] stardust@lemmy.ca 62 points 8 months ago

Old ass boomer fixating on games are evil I guess and finding it deserves more attention than places like Twitter and YouTube filled with influencers who have the captive audience of very susceptible individuals that they are molding them to their image. Maybe focus on the root cause.

[-] callouscomic@lemm.ee 51 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

As a long time Steam user, while I still really like Steam and think it's the more consumer friendly platform, it has devolved greatly. Especially discussion forums are nearly no different than reddit toxicity where people exhibit their worst behaviors. I miss the legitimate discussions and love for specific games. Now it's mostly complaining and complete disregard for developers being humans.

The flood of garbage games has also been fairly obvious over the last decade. Some filters on your account handle a lot of this at least for the adult ones, but not all of it. It reminds me of the Wii shovelware era, but far worse.



BUT I would remind the Senator they STILL don't even have a fucking budget passed for this fiscal year we are already a month and a half into and they oughta stay in their lane and do their first basic god damn job before pointing at the supposed failures of others.

[-] setsneedtofeed@lemmy.world 16 points 8 months ago

I don't think anything good can come of the government deciding to crack down on Steam moderation in order to "save the children".

The current situation of Steam having a toxic forum community in places is better than whatever happens with "scrutiny".

If I may put on a tinfoil hat for a moment, this recent push to get Steam labeled as an extremist den that needs to be dealt with feels like yet another attack originating from competitors.

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[-] Clinicallydepressedpoochie@lemmy.world 40 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

You guys can't even keep nazis out of government. Why should it be steams responsibility to keep them from playing a game?

[-] Bakkoda@sh.itjust.works 17 points 8 months ago

That's the whole point. Sure there's Nazis in the government but look over there, a Nazi! Look over there a Nazi! It's Nazis from top to bottom. Wanna let us censor the Internet to stop them? No? You're a Nazi sympathiser then.

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[-] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 40 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Afaik, the discussion boards for individual games are not moderated by Valve staff (outside of their own titles and the general discussions not tied to any specific game), but by the developer of the game. And it pretty much is ignored by everyone outside of a few indie devs that either just believe in transparency and use the boards themselves, or because they have huge egos and act like little tyrants being the worst kind of Reddit/Discord mod. The only in-between is the automated systems that work off reports and filters.

[-] sp3tr4l@lemmy.zip 17 points 8 months ago

Bingo.

It's been that way since its inception, astronauts with gun meme or whatever.

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[-] secret300@lemmy.sdf.org 38 points 8 months ago

Where? Where at tho? I've been using steam and playing valve games for like 16 years or something like that and I don't see it anywhere. Maybe the one troll in user made guides but that usually goes away just like any other platform

[-] Fidel_Cashflow@lemmy.ml 28 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

you can go through the community hubs/reviews of basically any WW2/military shooter or strategy game and see multiple people with Hitler avatars, swastikas, black suns, anything you can think of. it's extremely prevalent.

hell, just going through the HOI4 community hub and in the first 30 seconds of scrolling I've come across at least 3 nazi posts. the forums are completely unmoderated, going through the discussions and I've already found multiple instances of straight up holocaust denial/glorification. it's absolutely rampant.

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[-] inlandempire@jlai.lu 31 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

PCGamer really hates doing journalism mhm ? You have to figure out which link goes back to the actual article about the mentioned report, and then find which link directly goes to the report : https://www.adl.org/resources/report/steam-powered-hate-top-gaming-site-rife-extremism-antisemitism

The full report actually provides a lot more information and answers some legitimate questions, and other ignorant comments raised in here, there's an entire appendix about their method and how they fine tuned an ai model to review 150+ million profile pictures / 600+ million comments

There's also interesting info about the customization of Steam profile, which I don't remember Steam publicly sharing :

At the time of data collection, Steam Community had 458.32 million users. Of these, 418.4 million were public profiles and 39.68 million were private profiles (even if a profile was private, there was certain related information that was publicly available).

Many of Steam Community’s 458.32 million users have not customized their accounts extensively. Only 7.4% of public profiles have a summary, Steam Community’s equivalent of a social media bio. 41.8% of profiles use Steam community’s default profile picture, making it the most common avatar on Steam, present on 191.2 million profiles.

Most Steam Community users are also not particularly active. One proxy for activity is player level, which users can increase by activities such as buying games or collecting trading cards while playing games on Steam. Among the 91.69% of Steam Community users who publicize their level, the average level is 2.8 and the median level is 0.0 (the maximum level observed was 5,001). Our detections should be interpreted with this context in mind.

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[-] A_Filthy_Weeaboo@lemmy.world 29 points 8 months ago

I know the article addresses it but... What about X'ter? Head of Twatter now has an official government position while his shitty company allows Neo Nazi, hate, homophobic, and misogynist behavior runs rampant!

What a fucking farce...

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[-] setsneedtofeed@lemmy.world 28 points 8 months ago

Wow this push against Valve kind of popped up quickly and suddenly didn't it?

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[-] lightnsfw@reddthat.com 27 points 8 months ago

Yes, people say mean things on the internet. That's never going away. Teach your children how to deal with it.

[-] Blazingtransfem98@discuss.online 18 points 8 months ago

I don't think that Nazi shit or promotion of terrorism falls under "mean things on the internet" that would be over-trivializing, and I do say that because I have indeed seen many people doing these things in my years on Steam, as well as encouraging violence towards me for being a girl and having "used to have been a boy" (being transgender).

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[-] Bosht@lemmy.world 26 points 8 months ago

Translation: Our corpo overlords don't like that you can review bomb our shitty games and force us to take losses when we do shitty corpo things. Appease my bosses or they'll make me be bottom again with no lube.

[-] Grass@sh.itjust.works 23 points 8 months ago

Literally turning america entirely into an unsafe place then threatening others for it. Are they trying to do a government take over of a shiny appealing money maker? It sure seems like they actually want the nazis everywhere else, I bet if they actually do anything they will keep the nazis if they actually exist in the first place.

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[-] CancerMancer@sh.itjust.works 20 points 8 months ago

ADL report

Opinion discarded. Those ADL fucks lie about damn near everything.

[-] samus12345@lemmy.world 20 points 8 months ago

On Jan. 3rd, this will switch to a Republican senator saying the same thing, but the "extremist content" will be "woke."

[-] SplashJackson@lemmy.ca 19 points 8 months ago

Unsafe? Like is the game going to stab them?

[-] TrousersMcPants@lemmy.world 26 points 8 months ago

It's a great place to create extremists, there is basically no moderation and people say some fucking awful shit on Steam forums. I think this is a long time coming, honestly.

[-] SplashJackson@lemmy.ca 13 points 8 months ago

I just see people in the discussions forums talking about how to get all the achievements in Stellaris

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[-] reksas@sopuli.xyz 18 points 8 months ago

they go after my hobbies and i will turn into extremist

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[-] finitebanjo@lemmy.world 18 points 8 months ago

It's as if the new admin is trying really hard to find new ways to be face-eating-leopards to the gen z male faces that voted them into power.

[-] KoboldCoterie@pawb.social 37 points 8 months ago

Jesus, these comments.

  • Mark Warner is a Democrat
  • He was not up for re-election this year.
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[-] ChaoticEntropy@feddit.uk 16 points 8 months ago

Steam discussion forums on every game are a complete dumpster fire. Someone needs to do better, whether it is Steam themselves or moderators.

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[-] technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com 15 points 8 months ago
[-] vulgarcynic@sh.itjust.works 14 points 8 months ago

Yeah let's suggest these kids spending their time somewhere way safer like Matt Gaetz's mansion.

[-] Sterile_Technique@lemmy.world 13 points 8 months ago

If we're pitching microtransactions as extremist content, I'm on board.

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