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[-] PunnyName@lemmy.world 93 points 1 month ago

Forgot to put the portion where Reps try and block every single fucking thing that Dems try to accomplish.

Wanna know why abortion wasn't enshrined into law when the Dems had the majority? Because they didn't have a filibuster proof super majority for the handful of weeks they had all the power.

We got the ACA instead.

[-] darthsid@lemmy.world 35 points 1 month ago

I’m not buying this anymore. Dems could do the same if they had balls. Enough of this when they go low we go high bs.

[-] PunnyName@lemmy.world 11 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Here, have an actual teacher - who goes to insane lengths to find shit (including the fact that many Dems were quite conservative) - explain:

https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZP8L9EfNx/

[-] pjwestin@lemmy.world 29 points 1 month ago

They had the super majority at the start of that term. They couldn't have pushed something as complicated as the ACA through, but they could have moved on something small like affirming Roe. Besides, the Republicans always find a way to ram through legislation without a super majority (and I'd suspect we're about to see them abolish it entirely), but the Democrats never do.

For example, when the Senate parliamentarian tells the Democrats that they can't pass a $15 minimum wage through a simple majority, the Democrats give up. When the parliamentarian tells the Republicans they can't do something, they ignore them, and one time, they just flat our fired the guy.

You can argue about whether the Republicans are being unethical or underhanded, but at the end of the day, they achieve things, and the Democrats don't. The Democrats will tell you that they need 60 votes to do anything and that the parliamentarian won't allow them to pass non-budgetary items without one, but Senate filibuster rules can be changed, and the Parliamentarian has no real authority. Playing by the rules while your opponent cheats isn't noble, it's stupid.

[-] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 27 points 1 month ago

Also forget the portion where dems do not use their powers unless it is needed for Israel.

[-] Maggoty@lemmy.world 7 points 1 month ago

Yup the whole Republicans ignore the rules and Democrats don't thing hurts extra hard when you watch Democrats throw the rules out the window to support a genocide.

[-] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 month ago

Democrats very much followed the rules when supporting Israel's settler-colonial genocide, that's been a part of the rules since the settler-colonial project started.

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[-] shikitohno@lemm.ee 24 points 1 month ago

There's also just a massive element of the Democrats no longer functioning as a coherent political unit. It wouldn't help in an instance needing a filibuster-proof majority, but since being a Democrat is mostly negatively defined as "We're not the Republicans" these days, it has grown to encompass a range of views that prevents them from having a cohesive platform backed by all members in the way the GOP largely operates today.

Yes, Republican obstructionism is a major element in the dysfunction of our government at the moment, but even before you run into that, you have a party that embraces the Joe Manchins, Kyrsten Sinemas and Joe Liebermanns of US politics, while also having your Bernie Sanders and AOCs. Even before you encounter the obstructionist tendencies of Republicans, you have Democrats who don't fall in line that can hold the party platform hostage, and no meaningful mechanisms to force them to do so.

The Democratic Party really needs to start defining itself positively, rather than the current "We're not the other guy, so at least we aren't so bad" stance, and presenting a unified front in the face of Republican obstinance. There should be a time a place for intellectual debate, but the Democratic status quo not only makes them look incompetent when they can't hold members to task for failing to support major elements of the party platform (see Manchin's stranglehold over Biden's agenda that left quite a bit dead on arrival prior to Republican efforts), it also demotivates would-be voters.

[-] HubertManne@moist.catsweat.com 60 points 1 month ago

oh yeah sure. expanding overtime rights, over the counter birth control, getting rid of junk fees, clarifying the vice presidents role in certifying elections as ministerial, funding infrastructure while simultaneously stimulating energy efficiency and renewables, forcing airlines to refund canceled flights, fighting for loan forgiveness extensively as well as to put a stop to non compete clauses. nothing for the working class though as this does not hit specific things I find important so lets just go worse in all possible ways because thats a solid plan.

[-] finderscult@lemmy.ml 13 points 1 month ago

Courts struck down half of that, only two of those things benefit the working class, and you included something Biden explicitly did not accomplish as an achievement.

I know copium is a hell of a drug and you liberals will be overdosing within a year, but do take queues from California and hide your drug habit.

[-] HubertManne@moist.catsweat.com 7 points 1 month ago

the courts striking down is exactly why its better to make progress and yes he did still have to work with congress. If in 4 years a dem gets in then 8 years folks will complain that there will be no progress from today but will put a blind eye to having caught back up from the next 4 years of regression. A good example is the biden approved x permit for drilling on lands. lands open to drilling under trump. lands can be protected or taken out of protection but once out the president can't arbitrailly not allow permits.

[-] finderscult@lemmy.ml 10 points 1 month ago

The president actually can. It's an executive decision.

Biden also opened up lands that Trump didn't, so you really can't use that as an excuse for your far right neoliberal hack.

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[-] timbuck2themoon@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 month ago

I wish we could take your comment and put it in a bot every time someone says both sides are the same, not for the working class, etc.

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[-] random 57 points 1 month ago

republicans: we will shit on the working class

tankies: omg, dems so bad

[-] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 36 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Reps: we will crap on the working class

Dems: we will crap on the working class ✨

Leftists: The Dems don't actually help the working class, both parties derive their power and legitimacy from their donors, wealthy Capitalists. They function as businesses that sell policy to the highest bidder. We need a revolution in order for the people to have a real say.

Liberals: Shut up, tankie!

[-] random 14 points 1 month ago

"no, I don't want slow progress, I'd rather have no progress at all"

"what do you mean voting is just a tiny part of making the world a better place, it is completely useless"

"what? ofc I support the working class! I called someone on lemmy a lib for saying trump bad yesterday"

[-] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 24 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

The Democrats are not "slow progress," nor are Republicans "no progress." Both are decay, decline, dying Capitalism in a crumbling Empire. There is no progress to be had with either of them. Voting isn't a tiny part of making the world a better place, it's less than the bare minimum required to enact positive change.

If you understand that Capitalism must decay, and that the US is the world's worst Empire, then you understand that the only way to progress is revolution. Pretending that Leftists "prefer Trump" just showcases that you don't understand the core problem. That your profile banner is an Anarchist flag yet you argue against revolution means leftism is cosplay for you.

[-] leftytighty@slrpnk.net 14 points 1 month ago

how has slow progress worked for you in the last hundred years

[-] Phoenixbouncing@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago

6 weeks paid holiday, compensation days for longer work week, protection from unfair dismissal, free health care, 3 months maternity/1 month paternity leave....

Not saying that there's nothing left to do, but over the last 100 years things have definitely gotten better.

The real risk is forgetting that these things were hard won and that if you give people a chance they can easily be lost again.

[-] Saleh@feddit.org 21 points 1 month ago

Most of these were won by leftists fighting on the streets and in the factories, not by centrists.

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[-] umbrella@lemmy.ml 40 points 1 month ago
[-] Bakkoda@sh.itjust.works 11 points 1 month ago

Company that installs Overton windows said to be leaving then on moving dolly, left mumbling something about install it yourself morons.

[-] CovertGogurt@lemm.ee 10 points 1 month ago

You work within the system until you can get the change you want. By throwing your hands up you...ugh why even bother.

[-] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 10 points 1 month ago

If you can't get necessary change by working within the system then you must work outside it and replace it.

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[-] umbrella@lemmy.ml 9 points 1 month ago

are you getting the change you want by working within the system?

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[-] a9cx34udP4ZZ0@lemmy.world 30 points 1 month ago

That's a great take if you completely ignore that laws are written by congress, and in the last 30 years Democrats have only had both chambers and the executive, by a slim margin for 2 years and a wide margin for 2 years. In those 2 years of a wide margin (Obama) they passed the ACA, which was watered down by republicans because it was the only way to get it to pass because they still didn't have a super majority.

[-] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 27 points 1 month ago

The Democrats have utterly failed to appeal to workers, and as such fail to bring out the votes. The DNC is a business that sells policy to wealthy Capitalists, it doesn't represent the working class.

[-] a9cx34udP4ZZ0@lemmy.world 16 points 1 month ago

The Democrats have utterly failed to appeal to workers, and as such fail to bring out the votes. The DNC is a business that sells policy to wealthy Capitalists, it doesn’t represent the working class.

Huh? Did you actually follow the election at all. Trump's solution for the working class was "I'll get you better jobs with more pay" and when asked for specific examples, he couldn't provide anything of substance. But he was fond of talking about how he hated unions and paying overtime during his speeches and talking about killing the ACA. VERY pro worker.

On the flip side Kamala was offering up cutting taxes on the middle class, lowering food prices, expanding the ACA, assistance to first time home buyers, and more assistance around childcare.

I don't know exactly what you think "appeals to workers" but she checked literally every box beyond promising "more pay" without any semblance of a way to do so. Is your idea of "appealing to workers": you just need to lie more?

[-] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 20 points 1 month ago

You're talking about Kamala "means testing" Harris, who paraded around with Liz Cheney, and comparing it to Trump who ran a far-right populist campaign running on ideas like "no tax on tips." Harris failed to run on popular programs like Medicare for All, and Trump did his usual awful schtick while exploiting the fact that Harris had no solid policy.

Neither party represents the workers, they both sell policy to wealthy Capitalists, and that's it.

[-] finderscult@lemmy.ml 11 points 1 month ago

Everything you listed helps the ~10% of Americans that are still middle class, not the working class. Except lowering food prices which we know she's not even attempt since it would require backstabbing her campaign financiers.

No working class person has delusions of owning a home at this point, that's a pipe dream only the deranged and rich could ever hope for. The ACA is a failure that most people can't afford, we need healthcare reform in totality. Everything you listed sounds like giving money to the rich so peasants can afford the Rich's services.

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[-] DrQuickbeam@lemmy.world 25 points 1 month ago

Now make one with an elephant in the middle to put next to this one. It will be equally trite.

[-] davel@lemmy.ml 18 points 1 month ago

Yeah it will be, because that’s how the corporate-run political duopoly works.
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[-] TheOubliette@lemmy.ml 18 points 1 month ago

GOP gives their base red meat. This is because it is compatible with their donors' interests. This contrasts to Dems, for whom delivering for their base runs counter to their donors' interests.

What is deliverrd by the GOP is marginalization, of course, but this is still a more direct and materiap response than what the Dems do, which is just PR.

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[-] Hikermick@lemmy.world 21 points 1 month ago

This is why you don't base your political opinions on memes

[-] Draedron@lemmy.dbzer0.com 15 points 1 month ago

And thanks to non voters you will never have a chance to get a better candidate since now free elections in america are a thing of the past. Congrats. Because you do your "both sides" garbage you destroyed any hope of improvement.

[-] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 15 points 1 month ago

American elections were never free, and the fact that the Harris campaign failed to bring out voters is the fault of the Democrats, not the voters.

Either way, revolution was always required to actually get meaningful change.

[-] Draedron@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 1 month ago

I was about to argue how you were wrong and then saw the lemmy.ml lmao A russian bootlicker talking about free elections is too ironic for me to take serious

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[-] Maggoty@lemmy.world 7 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

I don't know what you're talking about. There will be a 2026 mid term and a 2028 general elections. You should expect them too. Especially if you think Trump might cancel them. Loudly expecting him to cancel them normalizes it and mutes any protest. So they will happen, or we will be in the streets demanding them.

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[-] Sam_Bass@lemmy.ml 11 points 1 month ago

Republicans are garbager and yet....

[-] TheReturnOfPEB@reddthat.com 9 points 1 month ago

What or whom exactly is this post for ?

[-] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 11 points 1 month ago

It's leftist agitprop showcasing the failures of the DNC for disaffected liberals.

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[-] LovableSidekick@lemmy.world 9 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

I think it's for people who are angry that the world isn't getting better by itself while they scroll through memes.

[-] jaemo@sh.itjust.works 9 points 1 month ago

"Every nation gets the government it deserves."

[-] selokichtli@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 month ago

If this is shitposting, I don't understand what is shitposting anymore.

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