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Let me put it this way... Here's the 2020 DNC primary donations:
You know when conservatives post pictures of counties being all one color thus showing significant voting support most people speak up about how land doesn't vote and explain why those maps are kind of useless. Just food for thought.
my thought immediately when seeing this. interesting to see the geographic spread but misleading to frame it as more area = more popular
This is not colorblind friendly at all.
Yeah, that's terrible color choice (I'm assuming, anyway, since Pete and sanders are presumably meant to be different colors)
It also lacks a key
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man where's yang
No. And they've said as much.
"Clinton would not pledge to support Sanders if he won the 2020 Democratic nomination."
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/hillary-clinton-sen-bernie-sanders-likes/story?id=68424746
“However – I do reject socialism as a economic system. If people have that view, that’s their view. That is not the view of the Democratic Party.” - Pelosi
https://edition.cnn.com/2019/04/15/politics/nancy-pelosi-socialism/index.html
It's so sad to see this, especially knowing that while you can like or dislike Clinton and Pelosi, I doubt they are unware that Sanders is not proposing socialism. Socialism and social democracy are two very, vastly different things. And they for sure know this very well.
I sincerely hope that Sanders will found a new party soon, it will have 4 years to gain momentum. Will it win in the next election cycle? No, but it might actually get enough votes to win in 8 or 12 years. Just do it.
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I'm not sure how much these endorsements actually matter... Lord knows Liz Cheney's endorsing Kamala didn't tip the scales.
Would establishment libs support a leftist? Maybe not. But that doesn't mean that voters would necessarily follow suit.
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No. Liberals have always been closer to fascists than socialists. Look which way liberals in Weimar Germany went.
The word "liberals" means something else in Germany than in the US. The closes analogy would be Democrats=SPD and Republicans=CDU, which are the two biggest parties. When Hitler took over, the CDU fell in line while the SPD resisted. The SPD then was also a lot more leftist than it is now. It's pretty much centrist now and only slightly more to the left than the conservative CDU.
My headcanon:
Leftist: One who supports the general ideas of the Democratic party and supports the people at the head and their usual goings-on, voted Harris, enjoy the color blue.
Liberal: A Leftist, but they don't think their party speaks for them enough, or aren't extreme enough on certain issues they don't think are represented enough, so they think the party has abandoned or doesn't speak for them. These can be anyone from lgbtq+ activists to worker unions to Bernie Sanders. The idea that the left has left you, or whatever you stand for, and you are the liberal left.
Liberal(2nd definition): Someone who's into traditionalist communist ideals, Lemmy calls them "tankies". These tend to... not be what most people are talking about when they say liberal, despite arguments to the contrary.
Correct me if I'm wrong, this is in the context of the USA.
You got liberals and leftist mixed up
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Back then, the SPD had politicians with a backbone made of steel! Hitler tried to intimidate the members of parliament by having the SS and SA surround the building (Krolloper), and for the most part, this tactic worked. However, Otto Wels and the SPD stood firm and voted against the 'Ermächtigungsgesetz' (Enabling Act). In his famous speech, Wels declared: 'You can take away our freedom and our lives, but not our honor.' Many SPD members paid the ultimate price for their courage, and Otto Wels himself died in exile in France in 1939.
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We know the answer to that from how Bernie was treated
I think democrats would, for the most part. Perhaps less enthusiastically, but since they hate Trump, I think it would not be a major issue.
The question is, how would low-information unaffiliated voters respond to having a socialist in the ballot? This is a difficult question to answer. Traditionally socialism is a bad word in US politics, albeit less so with younger voters.
Personally I don’t really buy the “Bernie would have won” stuff but there’s really only one way to find out.
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Liberals already tried to get Bernie on the ticket in 2016, but the DNC fucked us on that.
Assuming Bernie could get on the ticket, I absolutely believe people would have voted for him.
The problem is of course getting him on the ticket.
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I sincerely have no idea.
The narrative that a leftist couldn't win is repeated so predictably and so often and by so many people that the whole idea has become sort of detached from reality, and there's no telling what would happen if it was actually a possibility.
And particularly since the one thing I'd pretty much guarantee is that the concerted efforts on the part of the ruling class to prevent a leftist from running would be as nothing compared to what they'd do and say in order to prevent one from winning.
I read somewhere on Lemmy, the idea of running as a 'Radical Republican' and push leftist policies. Just focus on working class issues and nepo-wealth corruption in the business world. That might help win over the same disenfranchised that helped trump win.
Most people have no idea a leftist isn't just a weirdo way of saying liberal
the haters, the racists, the sexists, the homophobes, the gun fondlers, the diesel fume huffers, and the bible thumpers vote repulbican every. single. time.
too many democrats jump ship and stay home, vote for the no chance party, or republican if a candidate doesn't support every little policy and issue they want or who supports something they don't. even if the fate of the nation and democracy is at stake, they'll abandon reason.
Yup. Idiots incapable of compromise, so they get nothing.
No. When you leave social media echo chambers like Lemmy, you hear liberals and others right of center talking about how Kamala was too liberal.
Yes. Democrats voted for Obama in 2008 and he presented himself as more progressive than Hilary.
I don’t know, we should do this and find out.
Yes, but that's keeping in mind that, contrary to popular belief among the types that go on Lemmy, most people aren't ideological. They don't care that Democrat A is this and Democrat B is that, they care about who they think will help their lives, ideology be damned. So, a lot of the people that socialists would call "libs" would vote for Bernie, BUT, most of those people think of Sanders primarily as "more liberal."
People who are actively aware of the difference between neoliberalism and social democracy, I'm not sure. But I honestly think they're a rounding error in US politics.
Socialists are very, very aware that the oppressed masses of people that don't know what words mean love socialist policies when they don't know they're socialist.
No, they'd side with the corporations cause they luv them
So he’d lose?
Yes
They totally would, until they disagreed with a single one of his policies.
Absolutely not. Type "Lamont Lieberman" (without the quotes) into a search engine for more info. Also "Clinton puma". In the opposite direction, Kamala Harris lost a lot of Biden voters. Biden was considered relatively left of center (though nowhere near as leftist as Sanders) back in the day.
I don't even think Biden is left of the US center. Who the hell thinks Biden is left of center?
Biden is certainly left of the US center.
Left of the US Senate center, or maybe the Senate Democrat center. Not the whole US. And I mean in the 1980s, not now. Even today though, I'd consider him leftward of Kamala Harris.
In terms of what he got done, he's easily the most left wing President since LBJ. Perhaps FDR. Whether or not that is defined as left-wing/leftist/liberal is a matter of opinion.
Left of global center? No. Left of USA center? Probably.
https://news.gallup.com/poll/388988/political-ideology-steady-conservatives-moderates-tie.aspx
More Americans identify as conservative than liberal. It's not something we have to like, and certain policies may be quite different individually, but in order to win nationally, Democrats have to defeat voters' own self-identification. Obviously it happens, so this isn't some insurmountable challenge, but the deck is stacked.
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Probably. People tend to vote for their team - regardless of the actual underlying policy
No promises, though.
Sanders? Probably.
Someone else? Depends on their policies and what you mean by "liberals". If you mean general center-left / Democrat base types, probably they vote for the DNC nominee. If you mean people devoted to Enlightenment Liberalism, it depends on how authoritarian the the candidate is.
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