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JD Vance suggested the US's support for NATO could be pulled if Europe tries to regulate Elon Musk's X as free speech debate rumbles on (www.businessinsider.com)
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It's time for the EU to grow up and give the USA its walking papers. I mean it's not as if the USA has been even remotely helpful as NATO countries face their greatest threat since the Soviet Union.

Throughout all of its history the USA has been an unreliable ally. Whoever banks on US support loses in the long term as the fickle US electorate changes flips its lid every 4-8 years and drastically rewrites the script as to who is a friend and who is an enemy.

And the script for the next four years says autocrats and other such assholes are the friends, and they're willing to throw the previous friends' bodies under the bus to prop up a failing business enterprise run by a crony.

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[-] brucethemoose@lemmy.world 20 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

I mean it’s not as if the USA has been even remotely helpful as NATO countries face their greatest threat since the Soviet Union

Uh, except a truckload of actual military support? Even during the Trump administration. And a boatload of support to Ukraine?

This is so petty of JD Vance it's unreal. "Block my friend's private company and we'll terminate our 75 year defensive pact." In another decade, he'd get impeached for even saying that, for multiple reasons.

But there's truth there. The US gives a lot, and the EU should give more to Ukraine and spend more if it doesn't want to be so dependent on its fickle overseas ally who's binged a little too much Fox News.

[-] 5715@feddit.org 3 points 1 month ago

As for Germany, the country has given some, but the chancellor is reluctant, because he actually seems to fear Russia (every weapon system needed months of convincing him), the former (lol) ordoliberal finance minister refused take out loans due to a austerity program called 'debt brake' and the powerful opposition party sued the government's household and won, so suddenly 66 Bn disappeared which combined with extreme austerity enforced by a 10 percent party in coalition largely limited defense spending.

TL:DR Austerity wins over Ukraine (or anything) big time.

[-] ZDL@ttrpg.network 1 points 1 month ago

A truckload of "actual military support" that has such tight strings attached that it was basically useless except for a very fragile defensive posture.

Only this week has the USA actually finally allowed the Ukraine to go on the offensive with its kit.

[-] brucethemoose@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Yes that is a crime.

It's incredible how much the US spends for basically backing NATO's defense, and when it basically happens, we wring our hands. Without even having to commit any troops!

But a foreign invasion the country clearly doesn't want? All out.

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