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[-] JoMiran@lemmy.ml 99 points 1 month ago

I just want women to feel happy and realized without fear of oppression or the need to partake in political violence, but what the fuck do I know.

[-] GrymEdm@lemmy.world 39 points 1 month ago

I feel that way about everyone.

[-] JoMiran@lemmy.ml 15 points 1 month ago
[-] bdonvr@thelemmy.club 24 points 1 month ago

Unfortunately we don't get to live in that reality

[-] 7oo7@lemmy.dbzer0.com 17 points 1 month ago

I just want my "Thoughts and Prayers" to materialize without any effort.

[-] AngryRobot@lemmy.world 82 points 1 month ago

On Monday, I was a liberal. On Wednesday, I became a leftist. I will not let my country slide into fascism without fighting back. I have a 73 year old mom who's married to a woman. That woman is one of the most important people in my life. I'm 51 and have known her since I was 19. If anyone comes for them, there will be bloodshed.

[-] ALoafOfBread@lemmy.ml 23 points 1 month ago

Solidarity, comrade.

[-] b161 13 points 1 month ago
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[-] vzq@lemmy.world 75 points 1 month ago

It’s both. Most people have no appetite or aptitude for political violence.

[-] porous_grey_matter@lemmy.ml 31 points 1 month ago

Until they eventually do

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[-] sartalon@lemmy.world 56 points 1 month ago

Leftists are deluding themselves.

Just like I deluded myself that there was no way Trump could win a second term.

[-] eugenevdebs@lemmy.dbzer0.com 26 points 1 month ago

The second amendment was to defend Americans from tyranny. Trump is that. Use of force in self defense is justified.

"The soap box, the ballot box, the jury box, the cartridge box. Use them in that order."

[-] DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 15 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

https://www.npr.org/2021/06/02/1002107670/historian-uncovers-the-racist-roots-of-the-2nd-amendment

Tl;Dr the Constitutional Congress didn't really believe in citizen militias providing a sufficient check on federal power. Some power, sure, but by and large the British armies destroyed the militias in the field, with only a few notable successes.

They did, however, recognize that they could serve as a rapid reaction force for wars against natives and putting down slave revolts until the real army showed up. And, of course, militias could be rolled into a professional army and retrained, like what happened with the Civil War.

That isn't to say a genuinely popular revolt wouldn't work, it's just not what the 2nd was really about.

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[-] m_f@midwest.social 22 points 1 month ago

Deluding themselves about what exactly?

[-] Jon_Servo@lemmy.world 14 points 1 month ago

Yes. Make them explain their words. Deluding how, exactly? Deluded that women would fight for their bodily autonomy? That doesn't seem very delusional to me.

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[-] jatone@lemmy.dbzer0.com 12 points 1 month ago

leftists very much believed trump could win a second term primarily because neoliberals would drop the ball during the election. we were warning liberals all year.

[-] hohoho@lemmy.world 11 points 1 month ago

Sounds like projection, doesn’t it?

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[-] svcg 52 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

ITT: People who think "liberal" means any one single thing.

ITT: People who think "leftist" means any one single thing.

[-] jaggedrobotpubes@lemmy.world 11 points 1 month ago

I mostly upvoted the meme for the energy.

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[-] GrymEdm@lemmy.world 22 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

I agree that women are not going back "into the bottle" as it were. There definitely are females out there opposed to women's rights (especially reproductive and career rights). They will be opposed by a greater number of women + the men who want women to meaningfully participate in society. A nation that refuses to take women seriously ends up cutting their potential leadership, ideas, production, and so on basically in half. Already we see women planning how they are going to resist misogynistic policies, and maybe they don't need my support as a Canadian man but they've got it.

[-] vzq@lemmy.world 35 points 1 month ago
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[-] LovableSidekick@lemmy.world 25 points 1 month ago

Yeah that's the point - the two pictures show two types of people who both exist.

[-] DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 11 points 1 month ago

Yeah, and isn't the series as a whole about her trying to go from A to B?

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[-] Eiri@lemmy.ca 12 points 1 month ago

Liberal and leftist are both very vague terms with several definitions that place them both in very different places in the political spectrum.

You should just use other, clearer terms.

[-] knightly@pawb.social 33 points 1 month ago

These terms are rather well understood by leftists, it's only liberals who think they mean the same thing.

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[-] gofsckyourself@lemmy.world 10 points 1 month ago

I guess I have trouble groking the difference between "liberal" and "leftist".

Could someone summarize?

[-] UraniumBlazer@lemm.ee 22 points 1 month ago

Leftists HATE capitalism. They want to replace it altogether with some alternative economic system (market socialism, planned economy or a combination of the two) depending upon the type of leftist. Differences in leftists also exist based on the HOW of replacing capitalism (violent revolution, democratic reformation and so on).

Liberals ARE NOT leftists. Liberals believe that capitalism, with all its flaws is still the least bad economic system. They recognise some flaws of the free market and think that capitalism must be regulated to a certain extent by the government.

So again, all leftists HATE capitalism. Liberals dislike a free market, but think that regulated capitalism is the least bad form of governance.

Note: I know you didn't ask this, but just wanted to clarify - capitalism ≠ market. There's a large group of leftists called "market socialists" who want a market without the means of production owned privately.

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The left starts at anti capitalism.

Beyond that, for this meme, liberals are guilty capitalists the same way a Catholic porn addict is a guilty Catholic. They'll feel bad about homelessness, and spend billions "fixing" homelessness but never address the root cause... As that would interfere with their addiction. They'll feel terrible about drug addicts existing and spend billions "fixing" it by selling them different drugs and for profit rehab... But will never address the root of the problem. Liberals feel awful about x, but will never solve x of it interferes with capital. It's why they love rainbow capitalism, they get to feel good about finally doing the right thing... While making profit.

Leftists want to solve the problem, no matter the cause. They don't support gay people because it's cheap, easy, and allows for profit; they do it because all people have inherent rights. They don't want to build all inclusive, hyper expensive, heavily monitored and limited access housing for the homeless, they just want to build homes and ensure those effected have food and water.

Liberals are not left wing. Socially they only hold a vague mirage of left wing ideals as long as it doesn't harm capitalism. Economically, they're as right wing as any conservative or fascist. Fun fact fascism has only ever sprung from liberals.

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[-] ALoafOfBread@lemmy.ml 15 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

None of the answers you've received are really correct.

Liberalism has a specific meaning in political science. Modern Liberals support market economies, strong individual rights, and the right to own private property (not personal property like your house, car, or toothbrush - private property means capital).

I'm going to use socialism as a proxy for Leftism broadly because Socialism + Anarchism is too broad. Socialism is a political philosophy characterized by public ownership of capital (aka the means of production). That is the primary thing that binds leftists together.

Leftists view Liberalism as an improvement over feudalism, the system that it replaced, but criticize Liberals for protecting the status quo of neoliberal capitalism and the injustices, inequities, and evils it has perpetuated (slavery, colonialism, white supremacy, patriarchy, labor exploitation, etc.). They also assert that any Social Democratic reforms Liberals champion are ineffectual at addressing the core problems of capitalism.

The reason that the leftists in the meme have guns is because Leftists have historically been violently opposed to fascism and have engaged in revolutions to overthrow feudal, liberal, and fascist regimes.

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After the French Revolution, they arranged the seats in the legislature with the most progressive on the left, and the most conservative on the right.

This left-right axis is often still used in modern politics.

On the American politics version of this spectrum, "liberal" defines those in the center who are in the middle and who accept whatever they are given. Leftist progressives fight for a better future.

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