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[-] Amputret@lemmy.dbzer0.com 61 points 8 months ago

Compared to USB-A, not really that much of a game changer (it’s still the most common for me). Though I do not miss the three rotations to get it in.

Compared to Micro-USB? Holy fuck, I almost refuse to buy anything still using Micro-USB ported now. Mainly because I can’t never find the fucking cable for it.

[-] superkret@feddit.org 4 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Though I do not miss the three rotations to get it in.

The holes point up or to the right.

[-] papalonian@lemmy.world 7 points 8 months ago

But like.. not always. Wall adapters (at least US ones) can be plugged in upside down, so if that's upside down the holes face down. I have a 3d printer who's motherboard is mounted on the top of the chassis, flipping the USB port so that it's "upside down". A lot of cheap dual-USB chargers that have the two USB ports right next to each other have them mirrored, so one faces up and the other faces down.

Granted, I've always found the "argh USB!!!" frustration to be more a meme than anything; when I'm plugging in a USB device, I likely know what orientation the male side is (flash drives and the like are usually oriented the same way), and it takes half a second of paying attention when going to plug it in to look at the female port to see what direction it's meant to go in.

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[-] pastermil@sh.itjust.works 53 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

I think the real game changer here is the USB-PD. I now only bring a single charger for both my laptop and my phone. Also, a lot of different laptops now charge with USB-C, getting rid of the need of different plugs.

Props to the Thinkpad USB-C retrofit hack. Granted they only work with 65w, but it is still great! My Anker Nano GaN charger is only a little bit larger than an ice cube, definitely smaller than most traditional USB charger, yet it packs 65w.

[-] iii@mander.xyz 6 points 8 months ago

What does GaN stand for in that context?

[-] pastermil@sh.itjust.works 16 points 8 months ago

Galium Nitride. It makes high current DC stuff more efficient (i.e. generates less heat) and requires less circuitry (i.e. smaller devices).

[-] iii@mander.xyz 4 points 8 months ago
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[-] RagnarokOnline@programming.dev 41 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Fucking awesome, it is. When I travel, I take 1 laptop power cord. Charges my phone, laptop, Switch, and backup battery. (The backup battery’s output ports are USB-A, but it’s got a lil converter cable that stays in the lil bag that the backup battery is stored in.)

[-] BruceTwarzen@lemm.ee 11 points 8 months ago

It's the best. So much so that not having usb c, has become a deciding factor if i buy something or not. It also seems a bit of a quality insurance, even if it's just a little. But electronics with micro or even mini usb is usually just some cheap shit or that old and they are still selling it.

[-] lnxtx@feddit.nl 26 points 8 months ago

So far it's a mess.

I still have Micro USB devices, so I need two cables or USB-C→Micro USB adapter.

I have PCs without USB-C ports, so another adapter needed USB-C → USB-A.

But, I can now "dock" my new-ish laptop with only one USB-C ↔ USB-C cable to a monitor.
Monitor gives power.

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[-] Steve@startrek.website 17 points 8 months ago

Not at all, its slightly more convenient.

[-] BrianTheeBiscuiteer@lemmy.world 8 points 8 months ago

If all cables were created equal then it's kind of a big deal that laptops can now charge via USB-C. Proprietary chargers can suck my ass.

[-] thatKamGuy@sh.itjust.works 15 points 8 months ago

It’s been more of a pain in the arse than initially expected.

Most motherboards (for example) only have 2-4 USB-C ports, meaning that I still need to employ A-C and C-C cables for peripherals etc.

My main gripe is that the standard just tries to do too many things without clear delineation/markings:

  1. Is it a USB 2.0 (480Mbit), 5Gbit, 10Gbit or 20Gbit cable? Can’t really tell from the plug alone.

  2. More importantly, for charging devices: How the heck do I determine maximum wattage I can run?

For all its faults, at least the blue colour of a USB-3.0 plug (or additional connectors for B/Micro) made it easy to differentiate !

Now I’m eyeing up a USB Cable tester just to validate and catalogue my growing collection! 🤦🏻‍♂️

[-] brbposting@sh.itjust.works 6 points 8 months ago

USB Cable tester

Great idea, and then:

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[-] ultrahamster64@lemmy.world 4 points 8 months ago

It's even more annoying that there are different possible pinouts in the port itself without clear labling. So always use the one cable that came with the peripheral, or you have a chance to fry it

[-] tetris11@lemmy.ml 4 points 8 months ago

I wonder about this too. Can I plug my laptop's USB-C charger into my phone? Or is that a big nono

[-] thatKamGuy@sh.itjust.works 11 points 8 months ago

Yes, you can. The charger and the device communicate between one another what they can support, and pick the highest one they both agree on.

E.G. my laptop charger can charge at full speed (100W) for my MacBook, but only at 20W for my iPhone.

That bit is pretty straightforward and transparent to end users (there are a few rare conditions where devices might not agree on the fastest, and have to fall back to a slower one); the issue is more with cables not having sufficient gauge wire, or missing connections that prevent the charger and device from communicating their full functionality.

[-] pastermil@sh.itjust.works 5 points 8 months ago

Should be okay, that USB-PD would detect the correct voltage and current.

[-] Klanky@sopuli.xyz 4 points 8 months ago

I charge by Bluetooth headphones ‘pod’ with my Steam Deck charger and it seems to be ok.

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[-] nichtburningturtle@feddit.org 13 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

A big one. No more brittle micro usb, which would eventually become loose and start falling out when charging. Being able to charge my laptop using my phone charger is also good.

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[-] COASTER1921@lemmy.ml 11 points 8 months ago

With a laptop and phone which both can use it my backpack while travelling is so much lighter and less bulky. For me it absolutely was a game changer, I just don't like that I need to carry a USB a to C adapter for all the legacy USB A ports.

[-] Jakeroxs@sh.itjust.works 11 points 8 months ago

Works great, rarely have issues with the port breaking unlike prior small usb standards, it's nice how ubiquitous it is so I have way less random cable connectors around.

[-] iii@mander.xyz 11 points 8 months ago

So much harder to solder, making repairing my stuff more difficult :(

Also, a USB cable is no longer a USB cable. Now I have to guess what the rated wattage was, if it's power only/data only/mixed.

All in all, a step back in my opinion.

[-] tetris11@lemmy.ml 4 points 8 months ago

Thats interesting - how many wires are in the actual sleeve, compared to an older USB?

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[-] dfyx@lemmy.helios42.de 9 points 8 months ago

Last week I found out that there are off-brand batteries for my DSLR cameras that can be charged directly through USB-C so I don't have to pack a different charger for every camera. Let that sink in!

Overall pretty great, in a pinch I can charge my laptop on a Nintendo Switch power supply. Now if I could just upgrade the last few remaining Micro-USB and Lightning devices without spending a fortune...

[-] spacemanspiffy@lemmy.world 9 points 8 months ago

Its convenient and superior to Micro. But mostly its just nice that both mine ans my wife's phone uses the same cord.

[-] captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works 9 points 8 months ago

Really hasn't been much of one. I still own devices that charge from MicroUSB, a lot of peripherals are still USB-A, there hasn't been any significant movement by the industry overall to move everything to C, so mostly it means I just need to carry more cables.

[-] kreiger@lemmy.world 5 points 8 months ago

Nitpick, there are no devices that charge with an USB-A port. USB-A is the side that supplies power, the side receiving power is USB-B.

USB-C did away with the distinction.

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[-] Libb@jlai.lu 8 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Not at all a game changer, for me.

I mean, it's just another and one more type of cable. Sure, in theory it's simpler than many various cables and it's even less stupid than the previous USB types, but it's still a mess.

At least, for non-geek me, those cables are a mess as I need to be able to distinguish between the exact same cable to find which one is USB-C or Thunderbolt, between the various versions of USB-C itself, and then between USB-C that comes with or without power delivery, and with what power limitation? And then, despite USB-C supposedly being a standard there are still too many cables that just won't work with certain devices because reasons.

Add to that the many USB-C docks (and dongles) that work... more or less reliably and more or less as marketed (even more so under Linux, but those issues exist under Mac and under Windows as well).

Older cables and ports were cumbersome, and thick and whatever but, as far as I'm concerned, for the most part they just worked like they were supposed to. And I never had an issue knowing which cable to plug into which port as they all looked, you know, different.

Nowadays, I have to label each one of my USB-C cable with some masking tape so I can identify it in a glimpse without wasting my time trying them all one by one.

Edit: some clarifications.

[-] superkret@feddit.org 7 points 8 months ago

I was pretty fucking disappointed how flimsy the jacks are.
I've had 3 phones and a laptop I had to replace because the USB-C jack started to wiggle and wouldn't connect anymore.

[-] TheRealKuni@lemmy.world 7 points 8 months ago

Is it the jack itself that’s wiggling, or the plug won’t stay in the socket and wiggles too much?

If it’s the latter, take a staple and bend it straight, and VERY GENTLY drag it round inside the port, avoiding contacts, scraping out the lint and dust that has almost certainly become impacted at the base of it over time. I do this whenever cables don’t want to stay in anymore and it’s amazing how much of a difference it makes.

I have had one example of the port itself becoming loose, but mostly I’ve run into the lint/dust problem.

[-] wootey@feddit.org 6 points 8 months ago

Probably better to use a toothpick in that case.

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[-] jadedwench@lemmy.world 7 points 8 months ago

Like others, USB-PD is amazing. My monitor has 90W which is plenty for my laptops. Gaming laptop, not so much. The only device I have that isn't USBC/Thunderbolt is the damn mouse. I rarely ever need a USB A port for anything other than charging. Even my flash drives are all USBC.

I have been able to use 1 charger for almost everything for several years now. Sometimes I have a finicky device that doesn't like the high wattage PD chargers and will only trickle charge, but work fine with my other smaller charger. The GaN chargers are nice and compact. I break USBC cables a lot less often, but that is because I am a walking disaster most of the time. I would break micro USB cables constantly, or rip the ports to pieces.

One note though on USBC ports on a monitor. Beware using the really really stiff cables on ports that are positioned where the cable would be parallel to the table instead of the port pointing down. That port will definitely wear out or break entirely from the constant downward force and lack of support of the cable in the port. This is especially true if you use a monitor arm and the cable gets moved. Seen this on both Samsung and LG. My Dell points downward. I really like the pro PS5 controllers as it comes with a little cage that holds the USBC cable in place and protects the port from exactly that scenario. These monitors absolutely need something like that, especially with how expensive they are.

[-] veniasilente@lemm.ee 7 points 8 months ago

It changed my economy game.

Now I have to buy an USB-C to USB-A adaptor to plug USB-C stuff into my already standing devices. Honestly, no idea why didn't they make it connector-compatible. Wasn't that the entire point of the "U" in "USB"?

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[-] Vanth@reddthat.com 6 points 8 months ago

I certainly like it better, it's an improvement, but "game changer" is strong. I'm slowly replacing gadgets to USB C through attrition. The charge port has ceased to be the failure point for any of the gadgets I own. My pile of spare cables is still excessive, but moving further back in my storage closet because I need them less and less.

[-] Defectus@lemmy.world 6 points 8 months ago

It's pretty convenient. Now I can take my soldering iron and my power tool battery (with SN USB-C adaptor) and solder wherever the fuck I want

[-] 2ugly2live@lemmy.world 6 points 8 months ago

It was great!

I could get rid of a lot of "extra" cords. I can just keep one usb c and charge my phone, my mouse, and headphones with one cord. Shoot, I can even charge my controllers now too. I like that they're becoming like outlets. Like, this is just how you get power to the device(S). Without searching for the "right" cord all the time.

[-] Aurenkin@sh.itjust.works 6 points 8 months ago

Total game changer. Plug all my peripherals into my monitor. USB C from my monitor to my work laptop. After work I plug it into my home desktop. Also just having one charger and one cable for my phone, steam deck and laptop is amazing especially for work trips.

[-] AA5B@lemmy.world 6 points 8 months ago

A little disappointing.

I had been pretty well consolidated to just lightning cables for everything. It did what I needed, the connector is small, reversible, easy to use, and it fit most electronics for my family of four. I had built up a nice stable of accessories like power banks and charging blocks that fit everything and hadn’t needed to buy anything new in years.

The switch to USB-C came with great fanfare and seemed like a good idea. However it really doesn’t give me any direct benefits and I have to buy all new accessories. Now I’m in a transition mode for a few years where I need usb-c, usb-a, and lightning cables and chargers. Worst of all the market that I kept being told was leaving behind still has more support for usb-a - my laptop has mostly usb-a, even new model motherboards for building my kids gaming computers are mostly usb-a, I don’t see a good selection of usb-c chargers, power banks are still mostly usb-a, keyboards and mice are usb-a, kvms are usb-a, etc

Trying to switch to usb-c has meant more cable types rather than fewer. It has meant buying duplicate chargers and it has meant less convenience where usb-c is not really mainstream yet. Hopefully the market will more fully adopt usb-c quickly but I meant to be a late adopter to this transition and feel almost like an early adopter

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[-] VirusMaster3073@lemmy.autism.place 5 points 8 months ago

I like its reversibility and faster speeds compared to MicroUSB. Being in the USA where everyone has iPhones though, it was hard to bum chargers from other people (before the iPhone 15 anyway)

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[-] That_Devil_Girl@lemmy.ml 5 points 8 months ago

Personally, I like the iPhone charging port better as there's less that can go wrong with it, but USB-C is pretty good too.

I like that I don't have to orient the cable plug-ins just right. I can flip it over and still plug it in just fine. That's why I don't like mini USB, micro USB, or USB-A

[-] TheRealKuni@lemmy.world 5 points 8 months ago

Yeah Lightning was really nice. I was surprised how much I liked it after switching from Android to iOS. If only it weren’t proprietary and had too few pins to be very useful outside of charging.

I still hated that my phone didn’t use USB-C though, since everything else I own does. Glad the new iPhones do.

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[-] Skyline969@lemmy.ca 5 points 8 months ago

Now that I upgraded to an iPhone with USB-C, I enjoy the convenience of having one cable for everything. Charging, connecting a display temporarily, data transfer, one cable. Never had a Mac so I didn’t get in on the Lightning to Lightning shenanigans, but I do prefer Lightning over USB-C. At least a Lightning port is easy to clean.

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[-] Magister@lemmy.world 4 points 8 months ago

Except maybe some devices (like IoT) that are powered up by an always plugged micro-usb, my cellphone is USB-C for a long time now, and my laptop has 3 USB-C/TB (no A), so it's easier for a couple of stuff. But I have a usb-c hub with multiple USB-A outlet because I still have a couple of devices to plug like keyboard, trackball, webcam, headset, UPS, FTDI stuff, etc.

No more micro-USB plugging/unplugging for phones.

The prob with usb-c is mainly for powering hungry devices, you need 60W cable, 100W cable, 240W cable, etc.

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[-] helmet91@lemmy.world 4 points 8 months ago

The good things:

  • It really is an advantage over normal USB, that I don't have to trun the plug three times while trying to connect it, as it can be plugged in either way.
  • I find the extra protection also cool, so in case you accidentally try to plug in something you are not supposed to, it just simply won't work instead of, I don't know, supplying too high voltage or something.

So far it caused a lot of headaches though:

  • Way too often I found myself in a situation, where I couldn't use some devices, because I didn't have the necessary adapter. This issue should be temporary though, so I'm not complaining.
  • Some cables are not compatible with some devices, and it can be really confusing. Before I knew this, I was certain that a monitor and a laptop of mine weren't compatible for a long time, until someday I read about this and tried it again with a different cable.
  • In most cases this is not an issue, but rarely I find that the USB type-c plug is not as robust as a micro USB for example. On my girlfriend's Samsung S8 it always slipped out, so the contact was terrible, while a micro USB plug does have some clamps to properly attach. Again, in most cases the type-c plug is clicking in properly, so it's not an acute problem.
[-] umbraroze@lemmy.world 4 points 8 months ago

I don't think I've had a single USB-C cable/connector/socket fail yet. Which can't be said of Micro-USB.

But other than that, meh.

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[-] BradleyUffner@lemmy.world 4 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

I like it, but not enough stuff uses it yet to be a true game changer. I still have to keep multiples of different types of cables to charge everything.

[-] sbv@sh.itjust.works 4 points 8 months ago

Now I need to deal with USB-C to micro USB and USB-A for my old devices. Things will be better eventually, I guess, but it's just shifted the annoyance around for now.

My phone is slightly easier to plug in though.

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