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Summary

German Chancellor Olaf Scholz and French President Emmanuel Macron held a call to discuss the potential implications of Donald Trump’s return to the U.S. presidency for Europe.

The leaders pledged to strengthen cooperation for a “more united, stronger, more sovereign Europe” in light of this possibility. Macron emphasized a commitment to European sovereignty while maintaining cooperation with the U.S. Additionally, German and French defense ministers plan to meet to coordinate on defense policies.

Trump’s ambiguous stance on Russia’s war in Ukraine and his critical view of NATO burden-sharing raise concerns in Europe about future U.S.-Europe relations.

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[-] SturgiesYrFase@lemmy.ml 114 points 1 year ago

Trump’s ambiguous stance on Russia’s war in Ukraine and his critical view of NATO burden-sharing raise concerns in Europe about future U.S.-Europe relations.

Absolutely nothing ambiguous about it. Everyone knows where he stands. Exactly where every lapdog stands, behind and slightly off to the side of their master.....

[-] merc@sh.itjust.works 14 points 1 year ago

Everyone knows where he stands.

I strongly suspect that isn't true. I think anti-Trump people know where he stands, but I bet a lot of pro-Trump people are about to be in for a big surprise.

[-] SturgiesYrFase@lemmy.ml 9 points 1 year ago

Ah, yes....the old "leopards are eating people's faces, but how was I supposed to know that it'd be my face?" bit.

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[-] chiliedogg@lemmy.world 108 points 1 year ago

American here.

Please embargo us. Make it clear that you will not work with a fascist state.

I want our economy to be in fucking ruins come 2026, when 20 Republican senators are up for reelection. If we take the house and a 2/3rds majority in the Senate and we can end this shit in January 2027.

But we need the anger and pain the Republicans have tapped into to fuel the fire to wipe the GOP from existence. And we need the Dems to stop playing fair. We need to go scorched-earth on these motherfuckers.

[-] timestatic@feddit.org 29 points 1 year ago

There is no way in which the US will be embargod. Even under trump european nations will try to keep a mostly beneficial relation with the US due to the economic reliability and US strength in global politics. Sorry bud!

[-] Ultraviolet@lemmy.world 23 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Fuck embargos, invade and liberate us. Return the favor we did for Germany 80 years ago.

[-] NikkiDimes@lemmy.world 16 points 1 year ago

No country would be insane enough to embargo the single greatest economic power on Earth.

[-] wholookshere 11 points 1 year ago

How can buisness be done with a power so volatile?

[-] catloaf@lemm.ee 19 points 1 year ago

Simple. Multinational corporate interests have significant influence in the government. The elected officials may change, but people like Charles Koch are still whispering in their ears.

[-] NikkiDimes@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago

Capitalism.

[-] needanke@feddit.org 7 points 1 year ago

The maga idiots don't really pose a theat to buisnesses, just regular people.

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[-] soycapitan451@lemmy.world 82 points 1 year ago

Close Cooperation with eachother. The USA can no longer be seen as a reliable partner with its wild ideological swings and a lack of strong commitment to the cause.

Make or break for a strong European State.

From a UK perspective we're absolutely fucked due to Brexit. USA is unreliable, detached from the EU, what's left? BRICS? Lol.

Shit.

[-] Notyou@sopuli.xyz 15 points 1 year ago

BRICS? Lol.

It'd be BRICSUK then. Kinda close to Brexit. Just paint it as the next step after Brexit.

[-] rmuk@feddit.uk 21 points 1 year ago

SUKBRICK sounds like a demeaning act that we brought on ourselves so lets go with that.

[-] ZeffSyde@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago

Everyone that voted for Cheeto Christ has willingly put their teeth to the curb, so SUKBRICK isn't far off.

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[-] kittenzrulz123 68 points 1 year ago

The EU needs a centralized military if it wants to survive

[-] GiddyGap@lemm.ee 33 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Maybe they need it, but that may not be happening. Over the past decade, Europe has been moving decisively to the right, just like the US is doing, which means less internal European cooperation and a further move toward sovereign nation states. The EU will maybe be able to maintain the overall trade cooperation among countries, but there's very little chance of further European integration in other policy areas as it stands. Even the Schengen open-border cooperation is hanging by a thread.

[-] kittenzrulz123 22 points 1 year ago

Then the EU will fall and Europe will plunge into a new era of uncertainty and war

[-] Jumi@lemmy.world 26 points 1 year ago

That's basically what all our history is anyway

[-] rmuk@feddit.uk 13 points 1 year ago

Yeah, it's also exactly what the EU and it's predecessors exist to prevent. We've never had a period of prolonged peace in Europe like we have now. And these utter fucking slabs want to undo it.

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[-] AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world 67 points 1 year ago

Summary:

There will be lots of winded and inspired speeches. Nothing will happen, Europe will stay divided while each country seeks advantages on its own for petty short term gains. The populists will continue to gain footholds, and to conquer lands.

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[-] CEbbinghaus@lemmy.world 42 points 1 year ago

Well that's one good thing to come from the election. Best case scenario America just fucks itself over (and not the rest of the world) while giving all of the EU a common enemy to help further strengthen the bonds.

[-] angrystego@lemmy.world 18 points 1 year ago

The bonds are deteriorating beyond repair. This won't be enough. Trump win will embolden the rising far right in EU countries. There's no good thing, I'm afraid. Sorry for my pessimism.

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[-] makyo@lemmy.world 37 points 1 year ago

Yeah no one saw a need for this EIGHT YEARS AGO?!

[-] Saleh@feddit.org 22 points 1 year ago

Some did. Then most were happy to go back to sleep as Biden won in 2020. Trump was ignorantly considered a hiccup instead of the expression of a deeper issue with the US.

As the election today showed so did the US Democrats think things could just continue in the same way. And here we are again.

[-] skillissuer@discuss.tchncs.de 11 points 1 year ago

eight years ago war looked very different

[-] el_eh_chase@lemmy.dbzer0.com 31 points 1 year ago

I sincerely hope the European powers will overcome their internal politics and the rightward slide many of them seem to be on, and cooperate more closely for the world's sake. I want to be hopeful for the climate and humanity.

Hopefully Canada will stick with Europe rather than the US ideologically, but with how things are going here we seem farther along on our rightward slide.

[-] schrodingers_dinger@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago

We are just as prone to right-wing propaganda here in Canada as Americans are too. I'm sure it's much worse here in Alberta than elsewhere, but it is painfully obvious to me just how aggressive the social media propaganda machine is influencing the minds of everyone here. Yet, if I mention it, I am the crazy one who is being brainwashed... Of course.

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[-] Burn_The_Right@lemmy.world 30 points 1 year ago

If Europe wants to keep the front line east of Ukraine, they better get on that right now. That front line will not stop at the western border.

[-] genXgentleman@lemmy.world 27 points 1 year ago

I sincerely hope they're ready to hold the world together. Americans have screwed ourselves.

[-] Mrkawfee@lemmy.world 14 points 1 year ago

One of the few things that you can rely on is the Europeans will provide no unity or leadership.

[-] angrystego@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago

They're not. They're ready to screw themselves as well.

[-] Myxomatosis@lemmy.world 21 points 1 year ago

Get ready for Donnie to epically suck Putin’s cock. Fuck, I hate this country.

[-] kautau@lemmy.world 22 points 1 year ago

He'll start buying russian natural resources at a dollar on the dime and gas prices will drop a little bit and all the dumb idiots that voted for him will drool and smile because "ooga booga feels good" while he pulls out of nato and the world marches towards WWIII

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[-] hungryphrog 14 points 1 year ago

Not needing help from America would be great if our own governments weren't filled with fascists.

[-] Nihilistra@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago

Try to give some nukes to every eastern border country.

Poland already said they'll get the bomb asap. Not like we have anything to lose.

[-] jagged_circle@feddit.nl 12 points 1 year ago

Sanctiones. You need to issue sanctions against the US. Please.

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[-] superkret@feddit.org 8 points 1 year ago

It's the same boiler-plate statement they release after every US election.

[-] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

Oh good, last time fascism rose in the west they were at each other’s throats

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